01-03-2018, 03:37 PM
(01-03-2018, 11:20 AM)David Horn Wrote:(01-02-2018, 10:47 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:(11-29-2017, 01:40 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: This forum is for prominent persons fired, removed under pressure, or otherwise disgraced for sexual harassment.
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This kerfuffle is missing some victims.
Who among the #metoo crowd speaks for
1. Workers. No body who works should be subjected to abuse sexual or otherwise from fellow workers, management, and asshole customers.
2. Prisoners. Who speaks out for them? NOBODY! A prison sentence should never be followed by getting assraped. That's not part of the deal.
If these #metoo virtue signaling famous people never get around to ALL VICTIMS, then it's just vapid virtue signaling and nothing else.
You add an abbreviated but very valid list. Let's just say that no one deserves to be ostracized, to say nothing of abused, just for being themselves. The powerful always lean on the powerless. Making any class of the powerless unique merely makes the others invisible.
Women have certainly been among the most consistently abused and ostracized, just because they could be. The same applies to minorities members of all types. The issue isn't the victim's identity; it's the actors doing the abuse. I don't see this getting resolved quickly, but a little awareness may be the best medicine.
True. Farm workers, convenience-store clerks, and fast-food workers have been far more vulnerable. The actress who refuses the casting couch might have a chance to make a modest living teaching drama or English in public K-12 education. Or do what Kelly McGinness (spelling) did after her appearance in Top Gun (she seemed an excellent actress) did: she went to live theater in a backwater for non-political drama.
A film star who exposes a casting coach has some standing in some minds because people know about her. A bank teller? The bank will probably cast her off instead of casting off the creep who exploits her. Working people have always been far more vulnerable than such people as university professors.
So some sales clerk in a department store exposes some creepy store manager. Who would know except the victim and the exploiter? Grand Rapids, Minnesota? Are you sure that that isn't Grand Rapids, Michigan?
Sexual harassment is simply wrong, inexcusable no matter what the social status of the victim. I can imagine social consequences, especially in changing ways in which people date -- and perhaps giving a defense of traditional marriage (which is being redefined to include same-sex marriage).
The manager of a casual-dining restaurant will not be as 'interesting' as a political or media figure. Even business executives who make fortunes are not so well known. "Sales manager at XXX Corporation"? Not news. But horrible for the victim or victims.
There is no excuse for sexual harassment. Ever -- no matter how poor and helpless a victim may be. That includes the incarcerated and otherwise-institutionalized.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.