01-06-2018, 07:49 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-06-2018, 09:18 AM by Bob Butler 1954.)
(01-06-2018, 06:38 AM)nebraska Wrote: Things fall apart.
There is a see saw. The Republicans and Democrats are taking turns trying to change culture. The result is that neither dominant culture is made up of happy people. You do a decent job of highlighting one side of the coin. There are two.
(01-06-2018, 06:38 AM)nebraska Wrote: Clean-cut, moral Americans who were taught to hate Communism, be hard-working, be responsible, respect free speech, support religious freedom, defend gun rights, oppose warrantless searches, seizures, and torture must be in a state of shock to watch the USA become Socialist.
Would it surprise you to learn that I'll advocate for all of the above? Have I not relegated Communism to the ash heap of history? Am I not the one progressive who has come out advocating gun rights? (Well, that last is before you came on site.) You are not arguing against my perspective. To a great degree you are not listening, You are just repeating a common perspective which has been spammed many times before.
Conservatives often label any attempt to help the People Socialist. I would ignore most such. Those who say that governments have never helped people are just unfamiliar with history.
(01-06-2018, 06:38 AM)nebraska Wrote: The elites and the media are pushing wars, tyranny, debt, illegal immigrants, offshoring, moral decay, and Socialism...
From here you are one who finds fault with things as they are. In some ways I sympathize. Republican wars often show profit underneath the surface. Bush 43 had a cabanet full of military and oil men. Am I to blame for thinking he wanted to put troops near the oil? Democrats are eager to spread western values and defend against terror. Spreading any values at gunpoint is hard at a scale less than Atlanta in 1864 or Berlin in 1944, but attempts by sincere people to try it are understandable. It is hard to impossible to succeed, though, with secular values discredited by years of colonial imperialism and economic exploitation continuing. Thus we see perverted religious values and tactics which we would prefer not to be used. Why are stupid easily checked tactics unused? Duh... When formal war with uniforms, tanks and front lines is not likely to lead to victory, it is tempting to destroy the civilian will to fight. Tempting, but there is a long phase were you only unite and provoke the enemy.
Things are complicated. It is not surprising, though, to see Republicans and Democrats alike favoring simplistic perspectives.