Well, I'm back

[David Horn]

(01-09-2018, 01:42 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(01-08-2018, 08:19 AM)Bob Butler 1954 Wrote: Well, there you go strawmannirg again.  I see myself, like most progressives, as uninterested in a pure economic equality which would give equal funds or resources to all.  I am interested in a floor, in guaranteeing a minimum, as does the UN's UDHR.  

If your world views cannot survive correctly attributing the opposition's motive, how do you intend to contribute?

Bob,

Here is the problem.  It doesn't matter what you see yourself as doing--what you are doing is what matters.  ("Realz trump feelz, brah."  as the kids say.)  For example my mother still thinks the Drug War is a good idea as it somehow magically prevents people sticking needles in their arms or smoking various substances in their spare time.  (Trust me when I say it does not.) 

Any attempt at setting a floor never stops at setting a floor, just like all attempts at the regulation of private intitutions initiated by the state  never stay set at "X product cannot be sold to minors, and cannot be used while driving a motor vehicle on public thoroughfares".  The nature of the so-called progressives is to never be satisfied.  Where Marxists want to over turn the old order for an order of their making in one fell swoop (IE a revolution), so-called progressives prefer to slowly erode the state of freedom (the natural state) until such point as a state of slavery is reached.

That is the nature of the so-called progressives.  So you'll forgive me if I have no interest in their ideas considering the main difference between them and the Marxists is the speed at which they desire to make everyone equally poor, equally ignorant, equally naked, and equally hungry.

In an other thread, Anatomy of the State by Murray Rothbard was brought up.  I would suggest that you read it.  Or you could do the audio book like I did.  But then again, being a self-proclaimed stubborn person, and a Boomer (which makes proclaiming yourself to be stubborn redundant--simply by being a Boomer) I wouldn't be surprised if you somehow never get around to it.  After all my mother has problems with economics books being my son's toilet literature.  (apparently there is something wrong with a kid reading philosophy and economics instead of hustler--I told him to ignore her, I went through the same shit but in my case it was Marx )

Yeah, blah-blah-blah.  If the social democracies in Europe didn't exist, you might have an argument.  But they do.  Right now, the countries with the highest level of entrepreneurialism are Sweden and Denmark, with Norway and Finland not far behind.  Why?  Because the cost of failure is not penury.  The safety net allows for failure, and another attempt later, but it still provides the opportunity for success and ample rewards for same.