Was 911 & the Cultural Aftermath/Change in National Mood Part of This Crisis Period?

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(06-02-2018, 08:23 AM)TheNomad Wrote: Was 911 and the following affect on American culture along with the several wars after 911 and the change in national mood part of the Crisis portion of this saeculum we are now in?

If not, why?

No, because America turned back quickly to an Unraveling mood. The President told people to "travel" and "go shopping", much in contrast to the response to the Pearl Harbor attack. After "the Date that will live in Infamy", America quickly put an end to luxury production and started rationing. The government pushed war bonds and military production. Young men in large numbers signed up for military service at the expense of lucrative civilian careers. 

The only high-prominence sport, film star to sacrifice his career on behalf of his country was NFL star Pat Tillman, who eventually died for his choice. What equivalent of Jimmy Stewart or Ted Williams joined the US Armed Forces after 9/11? From 2001 the government promoted a speculative boom in real estate, including such rip-offs as mortgages with negative amortization. Maybe journalists tried to compare 9/11 to Pearl Harbor, but the generational cycle suggests that such timing was off. Those journalists gave up on that talk quickly as nothing came to resemble the American response to World War II pulling America in.
 

Quote:If you think it was, let's discuss exactly how it was part of this Crisis period along with the 2008 financial crisis.  I come from a place these two things have composed the Crisis that is on the way out.  Feel free to disagree but please don't say the same things that have been said over and over.  Either 911 was just a random thing that happened and was no part of the Crisis or it WAS part of the Crisis and some people's yearly brackets for Turnings need to be adjusted by half a decade or so.

I'll give you a very good match: the peak of stock market valuations in 2007 (just before a meltdown of stock prices over the next year and a half) was roughly 78 years after the Great Stock Market Crash of 1929 (just before a three-year meltdown in stock prices). After a year and a half the percentage amounts of the declines for both meltdowns at nearly the same sickening level:



Not-so-good matches:

Democrats took over majorities in both Houses of Congress in 2006, which is 76 years after the Democrats took over both Houses of Congress in 1930 -- but for reasons having nothing to do with economic performance. I see Dubya telescoping the failures of Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover into  eight years instead of twelve years. Barack Obama got elected to the Presidency 76 years after FDR, both having controversies about their origins. FDR was supposedly Jewish (false) and part of some international Jewish conspiracy for world domination (there is none), and Barack Obama was allegedly born in Kenya (false) and thus not a US citizen (false, as his father was a British subject and his mother was a US citizen, the latter being enough to give him birthright citizenship in the USA even if he had been born in Kenya).

Obama started rescuing the banks early to prevent an equivalent of the latter year-and-a-half of the economic meltdown that had begun in September 1929; FDR would be unable to do so until more than three years into the market meltdown. But Obama effectively rescued the people who would  lavish money on any politician who concurred with them that no human suffering short of slavery and human trafficking could ever be in excess so long as it turns, indulges, and enforces profit for the Master Class of owners and the astronomical compensation of America's executive elite.  By 2017 we have gotten the most anti-human government since the Gilded Age, complete with a President who holds America's old democratic allies in contempt and admires dictators like Putin and Xi.

If FDR eventually turned America into the Arsenal of Democracy, Trump puts America at risk of becoming another Evil Empire -- a right-wing mirror image of the Brezhnev era in the Soviet Union.