06-21-2018, 12:01 PM
(06-21-2018, 10:17 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: It is not a border dispute. It is a divide between people with humane decency and people without it. Donald Trump is using the issue of illegal immigration to get 'his' costly white elephant project. Yes, it will be effective in stopping the stream of illegal immigrants crossing the US-Mexican border. It will be so effective that it will cause illegal immigrants to sneak on shore by boat.
The problem was that people in ICE were separating children from parents, and allowing contractor to treat the children as if prisoners pr as inmates of mental wards. That is so blatant that conservative 'family values' types found it beyond excusable. White and black Americans have no particular animus toward Hispanic peoples.
Let us remember the root cause of the immigration from Central America (and not Mexico, which is not so problematic with immigration). The US now has as many people returning to Mexico as immigrating from Mexico. After all, Mexico is a much less expensive place in which to retire), It's the drug use of American addicts that makes some Central American countries way-stations for the transit of illegal drugs. The blood money from the trade in illegal drugs remains with the dope traffickers who use their filthy wealth to intimidate weak and ineffective governments. Many of the people immigrating illegally are fleeing violence related to a near-civil-war between narcotic lords and formal governments, a war that goes all the way to small towns. If you think cities like Detroit, St. Louis, and Memphis are 'murder cities', then wait till you see the murder stats for some cities that you have never heard of in Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Nicaragua.
Families moving to America illegally are looking out for the safety of their children, This is as much a loving act as families fleeing China and Vietnam after Communist takeovers. This is also by people closer by culture to a large number of Americans already here.
What about Costa Rica? Nice place with a stable government and little drug activity. Inequality isn't as severe. If Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Nicaragua were more like Costa Rica, then we would not have so many illegal immigrants.
A rotting fish stinks from the head, and any possible abusive treatment of toddler 'illegal immigrants' obviously gets excused from the top.
Is there a catalyst? It could be that President Trump is showing us how to do everything wrong. This man is a Marxist stereotype of a capitalist, a political type that most of us thought irrelevant as capitalists recognized that if capitalism was to survive and capitalists were not to be exterminated in some revolutionary bloodletting that they would have to give the proletariat (working class) a stake in the system. That stake is consumerism. Trump is a bad capitalist, and worse, he is not the free-market individualist that capitalists typically support. He is turning a pro-capitalist party into a fascistic Party. He is cruel and reckless.
With respect, please do not spend 90% of your reply with correcting the OP and discoursing based on your political philosophy. It is off-topic and does not serve the intended purpose of the thread and dare I say approaching SPAM. Please truncate your replies to my posts accordingly. Thanks for your cooperation. Now that I have addressed the 90% of your reply, the other 10% is basically the same as the other 90% except your prefaced it with the original question from the OP as if you were about to address the OP. I don't want to block anyone but this is unproductive and I will if the behavior is not modified. Thanks again.