Unkind, Risk Averse and Untrusting

[Eric the Green]

(06-27-2018, 05:17 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(06-27-2018, 02:02 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(06-27-2018, 12:55 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: One possibility is that we have to fight our way through this cold civil war fourth turning for the next 10 years, and then IF the best side wins (not the Republicans, whatever it is), then a time of greater consensus will follow, as promised by the authors of T4T. It won't be as "high" as the American High, because it will be more like the 1T that followed the hot civil war. But usually, 1Ts are more civil, and kind, or at least polite-- at least if you more-or-less go along with the program. Then comes the chance to fulfill the sixties awakening in the next one. You can bet that it will fulfill it too; take that to the bank! The neo-sixties, cosmically guaranteed! There were never more "trusting" people than the flower children. We never reach full paradise in our lifetimes or that of our grandchildren, and flaws and lessons will remain as they did before; but the cycles turn, and more-trusting times will come.

"For the first time in a long while, I look forward 10 years, and I see light" -- Cameron Kasky

Don't assume that the next 2T will have any resemblance to the last one.  We Boomers were the product of nearly hermetically sealed lives: comfortable if not lush and generally positive on things material.  The next Prophets won't have that experience.  With the middle class being hollowed out, the children of the 2020s and 30s will have more focus on equality than awareness out of basic need to prosper.  Socialism is a more likely outcome of the next 4T than any open-society social awareness meme.

Agreed. If the Trump agenda fully congeals, then the next 2T will be a rejection of the repressive, corrupt, hierarchical, mindless, and inequitable order that reflects you-know-who. The psychedelic expressions of the 1960s and 1970s will be completely irrelevant. That Awakening Era could be a rejection of the small minority of Millennial adults who wield power as successors of Trump seemingly right off the old block, the ones whose idea of social justice is that 2% get the sugar and 98% get the shaft. Religious authorities associated with the Establishment view for political reasons instead of moral convictions could be obvious targets for contempt. Cultural ferment could even be antiquarian, of all things.

As with other Awakening eras, I would expect alcohol use to soar much as it did in the Soviet Union as life was both materially and spiritually impoverished... of course alcohol is an excellent solvent for a conscience.

Quite incorrect. Psychedelia will return, and it will be quite relevant, because society today has turned away from spirit and soul. The imbalance will be remedied again, and as Strauss and Howe predicted, Pepperland will recur. No society can survive where there is no vision and no spirituality. I would say instead that nothing will be MORE relevant than more growth in cosnciousness. It's always relevant, but it will be especially so once the 2T comes in the mid 2040s. Repression by wikipedia will be over; the secret will come out again. Materialists need to realize that mass material prosperity has never been necessary for a spiritual and artistic rebirth to happen, ever in history. Previous societies have all been poorer materially and richer spiritually. Basic necessities met for a minority is all that's needed. Our age alone has been obsessed with mass material prosperity, and yet it often fails to achieve it. And it is not a foundation for spiritual awakening. Spirit comes when it will, to almost anyone in any condition.

On the other hand, if Trump does manage to institute his agenda, then you might be right. That means "the people will perish." There's grounds for pessimism indeed on that score. But I see Trump as himself the embodiment of the Crisis. If that's the case, and I think there's abundant grounds for seeing his reign as the clear sign of what's wrong with America, then a 4T would need to correct and solve that crisis which he embodies and personifies. Institutional solutions happen only in 4Ts. By the time of the 1T, it's mostly too late. 1Ts will confirm and consolidate the outward changes made in the 4T. The revving up of society that I see could be quite drastic. The signs are unambiguous in that regard. There is a great deal to overcome if electoral politics is to work for change; that's true. If it doesn't work, then violence will be the result, and America will fail. And without a successful change in THIS 4T, no awakening at all can be predicted to break out here 20 years later. America will be done! The USA will simply decline quickly and go the way of the dodobirds. It cannot survive a Trump agenda, and neither can the world.

On the other hand, if elections can be made to work, and according to your reports there's a good chance that it will, at least sometime during this 4T, then the violent resistance will come from the right. Since violence fails in America, that will be the unmistakable sign that the right has failed, and the reforms will stay in place. Just how far they go depends on the degree to which the younger generations can push forward change, with the help of some older folks who still realize the sixties ideals, and how they are still relevant and unfulfilled. On the other hand, once things are revved up, changes may happen that even the most visionary sixties boomers could not have foreseen. Now, Cameron Kasky has correctly seen exactly where things will go, and the correct dates. His generation will see that it does. "don't worry, we've got this." If you haven't seen the video of his speech, don't miss it!