2T Vs. 3T pop culture

[Eric the Green]

(06-23-2016, 09:07 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(06-22-2016, 11:43 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-22-2016, 11:21 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Me too; of course I don't even consider many of the 3T styles even hedonistic, because music does give sensuous or sensual pleasure, and that's a good thing; but those styles are more aimed toward assaulting the listener. It's for head bangers. Of course, there's a lot of diversity in such a large category as 3T American pop and rock, and Taramarie doesn't get that generalizations are just exaggerations to make a point. And she likes to interfere with others' conversations where she doesn't belong, in her haughty belief that a 20-something year old hypersensitive and bi-polar art student is entitled to tell anyone and everyone how to behave. I was speaking to Rags about the 3T music HE likes, not about what she likes. But that fact seems to escape her.

I don't think Taramarie has very good taste in music right now. That is insulting to her for me to say that, she says. But it is not a moral judgement of her, and it's not a criticism of her as a person. And I think she COULD have "good taste," as I see it, if she is willing to open up to what she hasn't experienced. She won't listen to me, so it's none of my business now anyway. Most young listeners today just aren't exposed to much good music. She knows some, and I'm sure she knows good music that I don't know.

Bad taste is not a permanent condition anyway, so she's wrong to say it's like insulting gays. I know; I have learned and experienced a lot of music, and learned to like much that I didn't know of or like before. Sometimes she seems to be open minded, and sometimes she is just wacky and can't be talked to.

It's funny that the moderator split this off. Not only was it not relevant to the gun debate, it's not even a topic worthy of discussion at all.

I normally am open minded. I listen to everyone. My problem with you is that you do not. You are closed off to an entire era and insult it to boot. Also it is insulting to say it is wrong and needs to be fixed. That is also closed minded. I on the other hand listen to other people's music and respect that is what they enjoy even if i do not. Anyway, I am off to get tea. We will have fun with this later.

I do not preclude the possibility that the 4T will bring forth a marvelous collection of new popular music. If the last 4T says anything, then we are about due to discover some popular music with an omnibus appeal -- as was the case with the Big Band era. This was quite possibly the greatest popular music ever except for that of Franz Josef Haydn and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who then had much the same appeal as the Big Band music circa 1940. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart as the Glenn Miller of his day? He was extremely popular in his lifetime.

If anything, shutting off the popular culture of the 1980s and 1990s opened up a huge range of other culture to me.

Is the popular culture to be disparaged? Only if it is mindless or depraved. It is telling that IBM's supercomputer "Watson" draws its diction from Bob Dylan, truly a great lyricist. If America goes very bad very fast in this 4T (as by electing Donald Trump as President), then it could rediscover some humanistic values in Simon and Garfunkel; Peter, Paul, and Mary; Bob Dylan; Joni Mitchell; and maybe even the Beatles (if they are Brits -- so what?) and the Beach Boys. After being deadly serious and wrong one might rediscover some whimsy and what makes people truly human.

Well said. Of course, I say that the 60s (1963-1973) was easily the greatest pop/rock era ever, but we'll get to the forties later in the best songs ever thread. And we've just scratched the surface of the 60s, starting (going backwards) with its climactic and most-ambitious summit of achievement by The Who. Now THAT is some fun.