I appreciate ALL your comments above Eric de Verde, that post was a mess so I couldn't reply.. the code was out of control.
you said: Full disclosure: l am a pacifist & l really don't care to see us get involved in any wars. Do you think it's possible to get thru a Crisis without a war?
THIS was what struck me,, as something to bring out more dialogue. Due to the interaction here along with gauging my interaction with others of a Prophet archetype, I do not believe it is possible to move through the 4th without war. Why? Because the Prophet demands it. They crave it. They want it so badly it is akin to visceral vampirism, skulking the night to kill for the sake of draining that hot viscid life-blood for their own DESIRE.
Yes, I have come to this conclusion recently. The Prophet - as a whole - does not care about anyone. They are wholly selfish and self-centered beings who believe every emotion, thought, proverb and revelation begins and ends when THEY THEMSELVES experience it. Whether the need for final WAR comes from them being disillusioned with their (even by posh standards) "comfortable" life throughout -- from childhood to elderhood -- they still are never satisfied? Or perhaps it is because they believe their own lives and life cycle to SO UTTERLY IMPORTANT that the end of their cycle must be as a giant orgasm upon the world simply to say WE WERE HERE. I cannot tell.
As the text says, the Prophets see themselves in this manner. When they are in full power, it is a battle until the end no matter what.
Their dogma MUST prevail. Oswald MUST be the shooter because otherwise, their entire life cycle is unbalanced and all the "knowledge" and beliefs they have accrued must be re-examined and redefined. And that is the last thing they want to do.
There is a reason they are called PROPHET. Because all the rest of us are to sit at their feet and receive their wisdom (whatever that may be). We are subjugates to them, their lives, their beliefs and values. That is how they view themselves and us no matter if they will ever openly recognize it or understand it. So, they act in a manner that fully foments and propagates war............. due largely in part due to their own values and nothing more. They would trample the whole earth if it meant bringing the "gospel" to the rest of us.
Nuclear war? IT DOESN'T MATTER TO THEM. It reminds me of caustic regimes and tribalism throughout history......... Huns and Vikings pillaging the land as they go, taking what they need...... but combine that with entities such as Rome or Constantinople or Persia of old or dare I saw even Nazi Germany..................... when VALUES are being IMPOSED on others for the sake of a religious belief or "bringing the Light/Truth to the world". We must remember, even the Nazi powers believed they were spreading a "truth" to the world. We must never forget how the imposition of VALUES on others have brought misery and dread to the world even into modernity.
I like to think we have moved past that now. That we would no longer have these sacred cow idols of idolatry (and that is truly what they are, thinking ONLY of themselves on an exalted plane above the rest of us) bringing war and strife to the world.
I'll end this with my own personal belief that I do not agree with Israel. It was installed as a Western ally in a region the West wanted to control and was done under the guise of some religious ideology that "Jews" would return "home" to their "land of ancestry".
As soon as rump or obama or reagan or clinton gives Montana (or I dare say California) back to the "ancestors" then I will believe it is right. Or when the queen offers Wales back to the Welsh or something of that nature. The strife of the mid-east IS Israel. And if ANY PERSON responds to this post with the word "antisemitism" I would first rebuke you in advance to examine the definition of that word to know it ALSO applies to IRAQ and SYRIA so why isn't that word used when attacking THOSE places?
The summation being, we are at odds with Iran and probably will war with them before this 4th is done BECAUSE OF ISRAEL. We cannot undo it now. The creation of modern Israel is probably the final mistake of the modern age of such grand nature. Let's hope we don't continue making more of those idiotic decisions.
I'll even add more fire to this: if giving "people" their own homeland due to persecution and even killings, why are Americans who are here IN America due to ancestors taken against their will as slaves........... why are those people not being given the state of Virginia or Nevada for themselves? If such a thing as a wonderful idea, the United States should have a state for native peoples, for children of slaves, for asians imprisoned during wwii for simply being asian, and a jewish state in utah.
If it is such a good idea, why are we not giving peoples their own land HERE? Iran keeps saying "if you want Israel WHY didn't you carve up something for them in Europe"? to which I say "I GET THAT".
I am not saying Israel has done something overtly to cause problems. Yet, it is almost illegal to challenge Israel as doing anything underhanded for that word being thrown at you............... it begins with A and ends with M and is ALWAYS misused.
So, now we look forward to a Prophet-wrought war with Iran because Prophets from a DIFFERENT SAECULUM(!) created a Western ally in Israel under the guise of some magic bible prophecy.
you said: Full disclosure: l am a pacifist & l really don't care to see us get involved in any wars. Do you think it's possible to get thru a Crisis without a war?
THIS was what struck me,, as something to bring out more dialogue. Due to the interaction here along with gauging my interaction with others of a Prophet archetype, I do not believe it is possible to move through the 4th without war. Why? Because the Prophet demands it. They crave it. They want it so badly it is akin to visceral vampirism, skulking the night to kill for the sake of draining that hot viscid life-blood for their own DESIRE.
Yes, I have come to this conclusion recently. The Prophet - as a whole - does not care about anyone. They are wholly selfish and self-centered beings who believe every emotion, thought, proverb and revelation begins and ends when THEY THEMSELVES experience it. Whether the need for final WAR comes from them being disillusioned with their (even by posh standards) "comfortable" life throughout -- from childhood to elderhood -- they still are never satisfied? Or perhaps it is because they believe their own lives and life cycle to SO UTTERLY IMPORTANT that the end of their cycle must be as a giant orgasm upon the world simply to say WE WERE HERE. I cannot tell.
As the text says, the Prophets see themselves in this manner. When they are in full power, it is a battle until the end no matter what.
Their dogma MUST prevail. Oswald MUST be the shooter because otherwise, their entire life cycle is unbalanced and all the "knowledge" and beliefs they have accrued must be re-examined and redefined. And that is the last thing they want to do.
There is a reason they are called PROPHET. Because all the rest of us are to sit at their feet and receive their wisdom (whatever that may be). We are subjugates to them, their lives, their beliefs and values. That is how they view themselves and us no matter if they will ever openly recognize it or understand it. So, they act in a manner that fully foments and propagates war............. due largely in part due to their own values and nothing more. They would trample the whole earth if it meant bringing the "gospel" to the rest of us.
Nuclear war? IT DOESN'T MATTER TO THEM. It reminds me of caustic regimes and tribalism throughout history......... Huns and Vikings pillaging the land as they go, taking what they need...... but combine that with entities such as Rome or Constantinople or Persia of old or dare I saw even Nazi Germany..................... when VALUES are being IMPOSED on others for the sake of a religious belief or "bringing the Light/Truth to the world". We must remember, even the Nazi powers believed they were spreading a "truth" to the world. We must never forget how the imposition of VALUES on others have brought misery and dread to the world even into modernity.
I like to think we have moved past that now. That we would no longer have these sacred cow idols of idolatry (and that is truly what they are, thinking ONLY of themselves on an exalted plane above the rest of us) bringing war and strife to the world.
I'll end this with my own personal belief that I do not agree with Israel. It was installed as a Western ally in a region the West wanted to control and was done under the guise of some religious ideology that "Jews" would return "home" to their "land of ancestry".
As soon as rump or obama or reagan or clinton gives Montana (or I dare say California) back to the "ancestors" then I will believe it is right. Or when the queen offers Wales back to the Welsh or something of that nature. The strife of the mid-east IS Israel. And if ANY PERSON responds to this post with the word "antisemitism" I would first rebuke you in advance to examine the definition of that word to know it ALSO applies to IRAQ and SYRIA so why isn't that word used when attacking THOSE places?
The summation being, we are at odds with Iran and probably will war with them before this 4th is done BECAUSE OF ISRAEL. We cannot undo it now. The creation of modern Israel is probably the final mistake of the modern age of such grand nature. Let's hope we don't continue making more of those idiotic decisions.
I'll even add more fire to this: if giving "people" their own homeland due to persecution and even killings, why are Americans who are here IN America due to ancestors taken against their will as slaves........... why are those people not being given the state of Virginia or Nevada for themselves? If such a thing as a wonderful idea, the United States should have a state for native peoples, for children of slaves, for asians imprisoned during wwii for simply being asian, and a jewish state in utah.
If it is such a good idea, why are we not giving peoples their own land HERE? Iran keeps saying "if you want Israel WHY didn't you carve up something for them in Europe"? to which I say "I GET THAT".
I am not saying Israel has done something overtly to cause problems. Yet, it is almost illegal to challenge Israel as doing anything underhanded for that word being thrown at you............... it begins with A and ends with M and is ALWAYS misused.
So, now we look forward to a Prophet-wrought war with Iran because Prophets from a DIFFERENT SAECULUM(!) created a Western ally in Israel under the guise of some magic bible prophecy.