07-19-2018, 09:55 PM
(07-19-2018, 02:07 PM)Marypoza Wrote:(07-09-2018, 12:40 PM)David Horn Wrote:(07-05-2018, 04:30 AM)Marypoza Wrote: Full disclosure: l am a pacifist & l really don't care to see us get involved in any wars. Do you think it's possible to get thru a Crisis without a war?
Can we have a 4T without a hot shooting war? Yes, I think so. The only restriction I would impose, as if I have any authority to impose anything, is the need for a clash of ideas that invalidates one set of arguments while validating the other. Using war as a tool is intellectually easy, but getting there without war isn't impossible, just unlikely. A more likely outcome, sans war, would be a truce or some sort that tilted more one way than another … think the armistice on the Korean peninsula as an example, albeit one that required war to achieve. Typically, we would consider that a failed 4T.
-- of course a civil war doesn't necessarily have to be a war with traditional armies or militias. Just look @ the cops, the police brutality. It could devolve into a situation where groups of ppl fight back guerilla style. Or maybe the mob gets involved like in the 1920s. Of course that was over Prohibition. I can't think of anything these daze that would cause the mob to ramp it up like they did in the 1920s. But l see situations where groups of ppl band together against police brutality, destabilizing cities, the Govt steps in, & then they are fighting the Govt, & at that point maybe the mob would get involved. I dunno
I think the type of War they are talking about is a conclusionary one. There might always be rage against the machine in many ways, the War of a 4T is one where there are clearly 2 sides and one comes out as the victor. Then, that victorious side goes on to make the way in a larger scope.
American Revolution
Civil War
WW II
Clear winners/Clear losers and a total "reset" button