08-29-2018, 02:16 PM
(08-29-2018, 11:48 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Cheap grace is a mistake. I find it hard to believe that God would damn to Hell some unobjectionable person (except for rejecting Jesus) who died in a Nazi murder camp for being Jewish, and then forgiving some Nazi war criminal who 'gave his soul to Jesus' while standing on the platform of the gallows for putting Zyklon-B into the gas chamber.
So is Calvinist predestination, the idea that if you are destined to Heaven, then wonderful things will happen all your life. No -- one is simply lucky or good at what one does.
Maybe I give God less credit than I might, but unforgivable sins, like many committed by Nazis, Stalinists, Ba'athists, and ISIS exist. I certainly don't want to go where the Nazis are.
Yep. The lack of logic and self contradiction of many organized religions is a good part of why I describe myself as a devout agnostic. I was brought up Catholic, ran with the Born Again crowd during my college years, and tried Neo paganism and Taoism as and adult. It is not that I didn't try or don't care.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.