Was 911 & the Cultural Aftermath/Change in National Mood Part of This Crisis Period?

[Marypoza]

(06-27-2018, 01:53 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(06-26-2018, 07:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The idea that the US-Vietnam War, the Pentagon Papers about it, or Watergate as its domestic reflection, have left no impact on younger people, is saying that younger people do not know any history today. That's possible, but it's also true that "when you lower the bar, it tends to stay down barring a major effort to raise it back to its former place" "with nothing having been done to offset the negative effects". Many young people also have parents were were involved or injured by the war in some way or involved in the protests against it, so this is one reason it may still be an influential source of today's attitudes. 

The best logical conclusion of such a level of distrust in the government, is that the government is substantially changed or overthrown. That is what the sixties radicals proposed all along. The younger generations will now be the power behind this possible logical outcome. This 4T, to be fulfilled, must be a revolution.

Symbolically, this is echoed in the cycles of our planets in 2022 by the first-ever Pluto Return to its place in 1776 since King George was taken down as ruler of America.

But a violent revolution by the left against the state is a likely fail. A movement that results in dynamic and substantial change through revitalized elections is more likely, and demographic shifts seem to support it despite the efforts of the current so-called president and the Supreme Court to stem the tide. The violence then would come from the right, as it did in the civil war. And it should be more-easily suppressed this time...

I agree that a violent revolution is out.  It won't work -- not today, at least.  So that leaves the slow, messy political process, which has been purposely gummed-up by the GOP.  To get anywhere from here, we need at least 2 election cycles to get enough change in the Senate to prevent yet more loses in the SCOTUS (Note: Anthony Kennedy just waved-out, so Trump gets two appointments at least).  Assuming that the progressive wing of the Dems is able to win big in 2020 and move things along, having a majority in both Houses of Congress and the Presidency, the way is still blocked by a right-wing court.

Reapportionment happens in 2021, so the 2022 elections will have newly drawn districts, but the GOP will still have the courts to block the new maps (this is based on the already obvious extremes the court is willing to go to keep things Republican and the relative youth of the conservative members of the court).  Can the Dems do today what FDR could not in 1937 and add a few additional seats to the SCOTUS?  Unlikely.  

So we march out of the 4T having achieved a stalemate at best.

-- Thomas Jefferson said the country should have a revolution 180 yrs or so to clean house, so to speak. The Consciousness Revolution came along 190 yrs later, but it was incomplete- it was mainly a social revolution, its major political aspect, ending the War, caused the power elites to double down (gawd 4bid that we the ppl should put a stop to their precious wars) on the political status quo so that the country is in its current sorry situation.

So yes, to finish the cycle, or saeculum, their has to be some sort of political revoultion, or perhaps more accurately a transformation. That's what Pluto in Capricorn is- tranforming (Pluto) the Govt (Capricorn) l agree with the 2 of you that it won't be a full blown war. But l can see a guerilla war of attrition if these cops don't change their murderous ways. Unless they start remembering who pays their salaries & that they are public servants, l can easily see the public arming themselves to defend themselves against them. This could escalate into martial law, & the clamping down on personal freedoms could lead to a guerilla warfare mess. Or not.

Could be simply that as the Millies age & start taking over the elected offices, they will transform the Govt thru law. Parasites like the Koch Bros will have to be neutralized however

David, l still like your idea of a schism where the wingnuts are still stuck in the 3T while the rest of us are slogging thru the 4T. Maybe the resolution of this 4T is to jettison the wingnuts