Yet another failure for socialized medicine or anything else.

[Bob Butler 54]

(11-14-2018, 06:08 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You don't think blue America would end up being very similar to the Soviet Union. Where would blue America's progress be coming from other from the  wreck of an American based system that blue fools like you and others are accustomed to and are  used to experiencing the benefits associated with its higher standards of living. Yes,  the Soviet Union was a poor country that was full of largely uneducated peasants who were clueless and decades behind the development of the  USA at the time.

Dude, a godless world has no basis for moral values/principles, right and wrong, whatsoever. Basically, if you're going to round up and execute a royal family or cut the heads off kings and queens or round up, rob, enslave and execute millions of a particular group and whatever else, the human sense of morality and the common belief in morality has to be removed.  You come across as being about as smart as the low down slugs who supported and voted in the Nazi's. Am I worried about the Nazi's or fascism? Nope. The American Right Crushed The NAZI'S and destroyed fascism.  I'm going to ask you a question, how long would you expect to survive in a godless world with no Christian influence or Christian belief or Christian values.

In my opinion, the blues are walking a fine line that has few limitations. Oh, we heard a ton about the person who mailed the Democrats pipe bombs but we didn't hear much of anything about the person who mailed the Republicans poison previously. Do you think one may have been a direct response to the other that was largely ignored? Here's the deal, if we start seeing groups of  dead Democrats, you'll be seeing what happens when the media is no longer interested in remaining fair and balanced and is more interested in pushing liberal agenda's. It's only a matter of time before the Democrats are dealt a nasty wake up call that forces an inward look and reassessment of themselves as people and the clowns you have in Washington aren't going to be up for the challenges that lay ahead. I've been engaging in a form of political warfare with you dumb bastards for over a decade and things aren't even serious yet. You've seen me when things aren't so serious yet. Can you imagine what it's going to be like, what I'm going to be like when things get serious? Do you think I'm going to be fucking around with you and Eric or do you think I'm going to be going straight at your Democrats and acting more like a fucking liberal? I don't have a problem with making Democratic lives miserable and I don't have a problem with a Republican group scarring the shit out of a black liberal cunt with a big fucking mouth or a worthless pansy white male who thinks his title gives him power that he doesn't have naturally and I don't have a problem with CNN dealing with bomb threats or a crowd throwing bricks and rocks at its windows and destroying its property. Basically, I believe in the concept of two being able to play the same game. Now, the goody two shoes liberal or goody two shoes conservative may not like it and may be diabolically opposed to it but who cares because both them are pretty much aren't powerful or persuasive enough to stop it. All they can do is say boo hoo and bitch and whine about it.

The problems were very different. The Soviet Union was an autocratic system. There was no internal check save violence over the Communist Party. There was no way to correct when the Communist elites became mostly concerned with the power of the Communist elites.

We have a democracy. Our problem was prejudice, in that some voters would vote to kill the goose that laid the golden egg rather than let Those People have any golden eggs. There was an allegiance between the elites seeking political power and monetary advantage and the deplorables.

Also, to a great degree, politicians served those willing and able to donate rather than serving the People.

Is this stable? Is prejudice stronger than self interest? Do advertisements always sway more than policy? When is enough enough?

I am hoping the people continue to get more hostile to the establishments of both parties. That is about Trump’s only positive from my perspective, how he exposed the Republican inability to serve the people. That is one place the Republicans are running ahead.

I am looking at how Republican ideas of voodoo economics have failed repeatedly, and the more responsible Democrats have had to pick up the pieces. I would laugh long and loud at the Republican concept of economics if only it was the least bit funny.

I am hoping Bernie Sanders has learned and let people see how to collect enough money to be heard while not being beholden to the giver.

I am hoping the deplorables will age out.

I am hoping those who have ignored global warming will wake up.

As for morality, you are holding up the Catholic supporters of molesting priests and the Evangelical advocates of white male priviledge, and yes the KKK, as models.

I lean much more towards the Enlightenment’s version of secular and political morality, with its ideas of checks and balances, equality, rights and freedom from interference.

There is much from traditional religious figures to be noted and approved of, in a 'do as I preach not what I do' way. Organized religion has lost its way. I keep much of what Jesus, the Tao, and the Neo Wiccans have had to offer about personal morality. Do as you will, but harm none.

But in the political world, I look much more to the Enlightenment values than those who would rather tell others they are inferior, continue privilege, yet will push their morality and religion on others when they get the chance. There is just too much hypocrisy among the Republican leadership these days.

Not so long ago, the Reagan alliance was of the militaristic neo cons, big oil, and Evangelical religion. The Neo cons have been discredited. The very real superiority in fighting up front wars with tanks, high tech, a few expensive planes, uniforms, and front lines does not dominate in the insurgent proxy world of today. Big oil is living on borrowed time these days, and I think they know it. The Evangelists and the Enlightenment values are clashing heavily, with the old prejudice and privilege out in the open.

So the fight is democracy against the influence of the elite. Always, the elite have had too much money, too many resources, too much influence with government. We can do something about it peacefully, while the old Soviet Union couldn’t. The imbalance of wealth is huge. That it leans in the direction of the establishment is interesting, as is the impatience of the people with their party’s establishments.

We will see…