01-09-2019, 11:49 PM
(01-09-2019, 06:39 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:How long would a proletarian revolution make it before it ran into the American Right? I'm not going to have a hard time adapting to the use of an AR-15 or a real weapon of war? Right now, I'd expect the polling numbers to be in the workers not receiving there paychecks favor. How long is going to be before opinions of blues change when their lavish lifestyles begin to be revealed and their personal intent begins to be questioned by those who are suffering because of Chuck and Nancy's complete lack of suffering and concerns relating to working class people. I mean, is 5 billion for a needed border wall really worth the anguish that their causing by holding out and saying no to the wall? Does the new Senator from Arizona have plans to be a two term senator or is she one of them blues who is more interested pleasing Chuck and Nancy than interested in representing the voters of Arizona. Well, you can kiss her good bye in six years because the illegal immigrant crisis will be undeniable in six years and the idea of eliminating certain blues by force will be stronger than it is today as well.(01-09-2019, 12:29 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(12-08-2018, 06:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Daily Kos tells it like it is.
Senate Republican warns of civil war if Democrats continue supporting the Federal government
It never fails that the party responsible for divisive rhetoric and violence as a matter of course always threatens violence against other Americans because Democrats were successful in an election. The midterm elections were barely a week old, and as if on a predetermined schedule, a Republican senator was warning of civil war because Democrats are unwilling to toe the Koch brothers line and work towards castrating the Federal government.
This is not the first time Republicans have beat their prone-to-violence base to the punch and threatened bloodshed if they fail to get what they want. In 2012 the Virginia Republican Party threatened that conservatives would launch a violent, bloody rebellion if President Barack Obama won re-election, and no small number of Trump advocates have warned of a violent civil war if the cretin was ever held accountable for the many high crimes and misdemeanors he and his family are involved in.
Mike Lee, besides being a typical Republican, is a Utah Libertarian malcontent in the mold of those filthy rich Libertarian malcontents Charles and David Koch. Anyone familiar with the Utah Mormon attempts to seize public land owned by the Federal government (see Bundy Ranch Standoff: Oregon wildlife refuge takeover) may believe that federal land ownership issue is the extent of Lee’s close affiliation with the Koch brothers, but that belief would be dead wrong.
Lee’s distorted view of the U.S. Constitution, and the legitimacy of the Federal government, is shared by the Koch brothers. And like the Koch brothers, Lee demands, and expects, a quick end to most of the Federal government’s agencies, departments and programs; he claims it is the only prescription to prevent civil war. In that sense, Lee is a Koch acolyte of the first order. It is true the Koch brothers do not threaten violence or warn of civil rebellion against the government, but they did co-create and contribute handsomely to the teabagger movement and Republicans who warned of civil war if they did not get their way.
Two weeks ago, barely eight days after the midterm elections, Lee addressed the uber-conservative Federalist Society. It was during that address that he warned that if the federal government is not neutered, including the wholesale elimination of most Federal government programs, agencies and departments, then there “will be civil war.” Lee’s claim is that unless Democrats join Republicans and “move to a system granting de facto sovereignty to the states and eliminate massive federal programs like public education and interstate highways there will be a civil war.” Such a system Lee calls for would be patently unconstitutional in the United States, but legal in a by-gone and very short-lived “sovereign nation.”
Lee warned that the only way Democrats can avert violence is if they end their support for a long list of federal programs, agencies, and departments that also happen to be on the Koch brothers hit list going back three decades. Just a sampling of what Democrats have to willingly help eliminate to stave off a violent civil war according to Lee includes, but is not limited to: The interstate highway system, funding for K-12 public education, federal higher education accreditation, early childhood education, the Department of Commerce, housing policy, workforce regulations, and what the typically-Mormon Lee labeled the illegal “huge glut of federally owned land.”
Lee also believes that federal child labor laws, Social Security, and Medicare are patently unconstitutional. According to his mind, the only means of avoiding civil war is ignoring that part of the Constitution granting authority to Congress to appropriate funds for the general welfare and establishes the federal government as a legitimate governing entity.
Lee claimed that opposition to conservative policies, such as eliminating the federal government, is what he called “angry political rhetoric driving our politics toward violence,” stating emphatically::
“Ultimately, this will come down to a binary choice: federalism or violence.”
Any American with a pulse understands the choice Lee proffers is “my way or civil war.” And to be abundantly clear, what Mormon Lee is claiming is that unless the federal government and everything connected to it is eliminated, including forfeiture of its public land to states like Utah to sell to the Kochs, there will be violence – not unlike the Bundy message.
It is noteworthy that Lee places the blame for his impending civil war on the people unlikely to ever support eradicating the Federal government or eliminating domestic programs or end Congress’ spending on the general welfare – Democrats. Lee claims that “every federal law that liberals support violates the Constitution.” He even believes the “federal ban on child labor is unconstitutional because the Constitution was ‘designed to be harsh.’”
The only thing Lee claims the federal government can legally be allowed to do under his reading of the “constitution” is enforce immigration laws - everything else is unconstitutional. However, since the Constitution empowers Congress to make laws and levy taxes for the nation’s general welfare, such as highways, public schools et cetera, there is nothing on Lee’s, or the Koch brothers’, hit list that is remotely unconstitutional; it is why liberals support all those things Lee and the Kochs despise – they are constitutional.
It is worth noting that in another era of American history Lee’s claim that those so-called “unconstitutional” things liberals support were indeed “unconstitutional.” However, they were “unconstitutional” according to the Constitution of the Confederate States, not the United States Constitution Lee swore a “so help me god” oath to support, preserve and defend – an oath he seems more than willing to violate or he would not threaten a civil war if he fails to get what he and his nasty ilk demand.
No-one enjoys losing elections, and for sure those that do are ultimately disappointed. However, it is only the Republicans and their ugly base that go directly to threatening violence towards the opposition; in Lee’s case it is violence against the Federal government. That is what civil war is.
Democrats were certainly disappointed after the 2016 election loss where their candidate earned about 3-million more votes than the criminal Republicans supported, but they never threatened violence or civil war. Instead, they embraced their constitutional rights to protest and verbally “resist” that became a “Blue Wave” that incited a sitting Republican senator to warn of civil war against the government; something that really is unconstitutional.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/12...l=emaildkr
The Daily Kos can say whatever it wants and count on a bunch of clueless blues to read it and believe it and spread the news to other clueless blues. Anyway, I could see the possibility of a civil war being fought between Americans and Progressives if we continue on the path that we still seem to be on today.
The divide is not between "Americans" and "Progressives". Being an American does not mean being on one side of a political divide. One can be an American and a fascist, someone who believes that the preparation for great wealth (if only for a few) and 'national greatness' (which means that a vile fascist system is imposed where such is unwelcome) depends upon training people for suffering and death. The KKK is undeniably American. So are our tornadoes. I do not praise tornadoes or the KKK just for being American.
If the Virginia Republican Party predicted that there would be insurrection if Obama got re-elected, then perhaps that explains why the Virginia Republican Party has been losing political ground in the Old Dominion. Virginia voted for Obama, a warning sign to those who see Barack Obama as a dangerous radical. Obama has a temperament more like that of Eisenhower than does Trump. Check an overlay between Obama wins by state and Eisenhower wins by state. Obama in 2012 did not win any state that Ike did not win twice. In 2008 Obama won only one state (barely) that Eisenhower did not win even once -- North Carolina. Eisenhower is about as far from a radical as one could be.
if you really want a proletarian revolution, then establish an economic order in which the workingman has no security against such a calamity as a crippling industrial accident, in which any economic reverse can result in starvation, in which disparities of opportunity relate closely to entrenched class identity, and in which the economic elites indulge themselves inordinately despite the gross suffering of the masses. It is up to the entrepreneurs, heirs, and executives to determine whether Karl Marx is relevant. It is not up to workers who want a little dignity in life or to wayward intellectuals who find Marx pleasing in the way that Aquinas or the Buddha isn't.
If you do not want a proletarian revolution, then have a society in which the proles have a stake in the social order -- like consumerism, which is far safer than revolution. This said, consumerism means a more widespread sharing of the fruits of production so that the common man has little need to take over the means of production from people devoid of conscience and empathy. Remember well the promise that Marxism-Leninism offers: that the social order can better serve the masses if parasitical elites whose necessity is pure myth are no longer around to take a cut that they do not deserve.
We Progressives are getting our point across, and we need not stockpile AR-15s or AK-47s, let alone hand grenades and Katyusha rockets to win the struggle with your side. America is stuck with Mike Lee until 2022 -- until Utah votes him out. Maybe he will be completely irrelevant in 2021.
Donald Trump is not winning America over to the idea that no human suffering can ever be in excess in the name of the gain, indulgence, and power of economic elites. Just watch the polling numbers.