06-29-2016, 10:15 PM
(06-29-2016, 03:17 PM)taramarie Wrote:(06-29-2016, 07:05 AM)Odin Wrote: Religious conservatives have a right to their beliefs, but they do not have a right to force those beliefs. "Religious Freedom" is nothing but a euphemism for getting around the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment, which ironically was put in to protect the minority religious sects of the time, like the Baptists, from the dominance of the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Congregationalists. And now given the increasing diversity of American religious life, with an increasing numbers of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Neo-Pagans, openly non-religious, etc. that original intent of the Establishment Clause is needed more than ever to protect those groups from the bigotry of the Religious Right.
Also, Radind, your claim that the US is no longer "really" majority Christian is disproved by the fact that being openly non-religious in most parts of the US is political suicide.
Exactly. Something I fortunately have not seen here so far in NZ. It is absolutely absurd and entitled. People just need to do their job and leave personal PERSONAL. It is funny. I have heard some people crying that the gays want special favours. Interesting they say that when it is some religious folk who want special favour over others *cough religious freedom cough* which often includes not serving people they disagree with. Which sometimes means not serving those they think want special favour. Do your fkng job and never mind what they are doing with THEIR lives. What the hell is it to them anyway what others do with their lives? Anyone could just stop doing their job at the drop of a hat due to disagreeing with how SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THEIR LIVES and in some cases it may be lethal to that person say if it were a surgeon. Oh i am not operating on that person because he or she is gay etc. Religious freedom and all that jazz. No, do your fkng job. You are a surgeon, operate on that person. You are a baker, bake for that person etc. No one is taking away rights to believe in what you want to believe but you do not have the right to take away others rights and demand special favour over the law. Sorry Odin not directed at you. Hahaha this is a topic that gets me fired up. These people seriously piss me off. Fkng entitled sobs who are similar to those who did not want to serve blacks back in the day. Prejudiced, rights removing entitled lil pricks. They are used to being top dog. Now they cry because they have to serve those they disagree with. Poor babies. Note, i know not all of them are like that. But some certainly are.
In some parts of America it was the 'right' to deny service to black people in restaurants or to deny hotel accommodations to Jews.
Yes, it's stupid and cruel.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.