Prospects of the Collapse of Civilization

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(03-05-2019, 08:17 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:

(03-04-2019, 05:55 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Modernism as individualist, liberty-oriented and science-oriented belief in progress is still popular, and has revived among millennials.

I know, but millennial culture still contains many barbarian elements like fondness for tattoos, not to mention the generation's porn and social media problem which are unworthy of Apollonian followers of Reason. But the millennials are going in the right direction, or at least were in the 2006-14 period (somewhat optimistic part of the current 4T) before the migration crisis unleashed the demons of nationalism resulting in Brexit and rise of populist leaders like Trump, which in turn caused the rise of SJWs.

Tattoos are not so much barbarous as they are prole. They are heavily associated with Polynesia, which was quite civilized when the West encountered it.

Porn says more about the dissatisfaction with one's sex life (or even its absence). Social media at first looked promising but have since been taken over by people for the worst reasons possible, such as turning them into vehicles of propaganda.

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Quote:Such movements as the Enlightenment and rationalism are not Awakenings, but arrive in other periods in the cycle, such as the current 4T which has seen the suppression of the paranormal on wikipedia by millennial skeptics.

So what turning was the Enlightenment?

I used to be a fan of the Millennial sceptical movement, but it lost its direction. Sceptics like Sargon of Akkad now turned against feminism, started defending wrongdoers like Harvey Weinstein. Many sceptics I debated on Personality Cafe are in fact libertarians. They now represent the perversion of modernism rather than the best of it. But the sceptical movement can regain its momentum during the 1T, no longer distracted by the political polarisation.

Saeculum, and not turning.

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Quote:The next awakening may be somewhat more Apollonian, but there is no chance that it will revive modernism. To suppose so is not to understand the nature of Awakenings, whether Apollonian or Dyonysian. Every Awakening results in philosophies and religious movements that go beyond the rational and toward either or both traditional or mystical religion.

A traditionalist Christian awakening could be useful if it suppressed the post-1945 cycle's obsession with sex. Something like the social purity movement.

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Every generation redefines what constitutes  'modernity'. But sex solely for procreation is a goner except among fanatics. I once sliced and diced an argument against gay sex as 'unprocreative' by calling attention to the fasted-growing category of 'unprocreative' sex -- sex among the elderly. We can all note that except for a new tolerance of homosexuality, we live in a society more repressive of sex than at any time since the 1960s: we have crackdowns on adult abuse of children, sexual harassment, marital rape, and date rape. Stronger efforts are underway to outlaw abortion.

So how did gays and lesbians get the right to same-sex marriage? Basically they turned against the perverts messing with children!