The "Unnecessariat" and the rise of Trumpism.

[Kinser79]

(05-12-2019, 11:28 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(05-11-2019, 07:16 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: PBR...I wrote in vernacular English.  I know you are familiar with that so I don't buy your excuse.

You did not use it well. You left some ambiguity in meaning.

Quote:Having been to San (Francisco) I would trade being anywhere else than there.  There is literal human excrement on the street like a third world country.  ...many third world countries are more hygienic!  Want that city?  You can have it.

The problem is that people can get away with homelessness longer in San Francisco as they couldn't in many other parts of America. the climate is obvious enough; the only peril is a cold rain in the winter milder than practically anywhere else in the winter. So you contrast some fire-and-ice climates in the Midwest (Waterloo, Iowa has a record low of -4F and a record high of 100F both in April -- one could experience both frostbite and heatstroke in the same month, in theory!), and it is easy to see why homelessness is far more a horror in some places than others.

Many troubled people unhappy where they are have some idea of what San Francisco is -- a climatic paradise with much beauty -- and think that they might give it a chance. They can't afford the rent, and finding a public toilet is trouble. Many of those people are alcoholics or addicts if not insane, which means that relocating isn't so easy for them as it looks. So after they get caught for some petty offense like shoplifting or public urination they are questioned about where they came from and are usually sent back to some place where they have relatives.

It is possible for a Third World City (let us say Pyongyang or Havana) to be hygienic -- if the political system is repressive. Enough said!

No I was very clear.  "Firearms are not a factor in suicide rates." Is extremely clear.  You either don't have the intellectual capacity to understand that or you deliberately decided to run off on some tangent that sounded good in your mind without regard to the clarity of my statement.  On the one hand this makes you an idiot, on the other it makes you duplicitous.

As for San Francisco...I would argue that the reason people get away with homlessness there longer is because the city actively encourages it.  Miami Florida has a far more pleasant climate than San Francisco ever thought about having not getting below 60 degrees even in winter.  It also is far more beautiful than San Francisco--I've been to both cities so I know.  So what is the difference?  The difference is in the political attatude in the city.  In Miami homelessness simply isn't tolerated.  Neither is shitting in the street.  Nor is open use of drugs in the streets. All of which San Francisco tolerates, almost accepts.

As for public toilets, Miami also has those.  I'm a firm believer that the US should have more public facilities like Europe has, it would increase over all general happiness and could be (and should be) administered locally.

I can't speak for California but in Florida the mentally ill that are arrested can and are often Baker Acted if they are thought to be a danger to themselves or others. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Mental_Health_Act

I'd argue that shit in the streets of San Fran-shits-co is the direct result of the policies pursued by the city in question and the Republic of California.  What a difference being in a blue or red state can make.


Since you've never left the US, and I have, I've been to many countries in Latin America.  Unfortunately Cuba is not one of them.  They have made it a point to provide public latrines to control infectious disease.  Human effluent in the streets is a hazard to everyone because the material in question could be very infectious (not to mention disgusting).  Even India (notorious for their designated shitting streets) has initiated a national campaign to provide public latrines to their large population.

I can't speak for the DPRK but both Cuba and Vietnam made it a point to provide their populations with at least a "village toilet" as part of their socialist/national liberation movements.  I'm not sure that their governments did this out of the kindness of their hearts but rather realizing that a population that is infected with diseases and parasites because of human effluent being improperly handled decreases productivity and general health.