05-30-2019, 02:16 PM
(05-30-2019, 10:54 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:(05-29-2019, 08:37 AM)freivolk Wrote:(05-22-2019, 06:35 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:Different cultures doesn´t mean, that your clocks running on different time. The West forced his time on the world. Details can differ, but basicly we have now a global 4T and we also had one 1929-1949. You can pray to your shinto-gods all days, if the NewYork-stock-market crashs you still have a crisis and if the USA starts throwing nukes at you, you better hope the crisis end.(05-20-2019, 11:40 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Australia, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Greece, and Japan would seem to be on roughly the same timelines. Arguably India. Countries that went Commie between 1946 and 1949 would seem to be a bit delayed, as might South Korea (Korean War). The former Yugoslavia and current Rwanda have obviously gone through Crisis eras -- if I were looking to be in a post-Crisis world, I would go with Croatia or Slovenia now.
Australia (and by extension New Zealand) are anglophone Western countries and fall more in line with the Big Three Anglophone countries. US, Canada, UK.
France, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, Spain are all Western European. Greece should be on a separate time line but I think perhaps they were jerked into a more Western mold by WW2 than the rest of Eastern Europe being that they were more exposed to the West after kicking out the Ottomans than otherwise.
Japan is on a similar timeline but only coincidentally--the Japanese are western only in that they like business suits and cell phones, they are still thoroughly Japanese. South Korea is on the Japanese line, though delayed about five or six years. Like the Japanese the South Koreans are thoroughly Korean.
Yugoslavia went through a 4T in the 1990s as did all of Eastern Europe including Russia. As I said in previous posts the Slavic and Slavic-Orthodox countries in particular are a different civilization from the West and thus on a different timeline.
Rwanda has had a 4T and the rest of Central Africa is still in it, but it is fading. East Africa's 4T is over or nearly so as there is talk of forming an East African Federation. Rwanda intends to join, and they are actively seeking Chinese investment to rapidly industrialize as Ethiopia and Kenya are doing. The next Sweatshop of the World will not be in Asia unless India decides it doesn't want to be the world's call center, the rest of Asia simply isn't populous enough but Africa is untapped cheap labor.
India seems poised to leapfrog industrial development because their lingua franca is English. This means that where cheap labor is required for white collar work, it can be outsourced to India.
The russian Revolution, the Fall of the USSR and the Yoguslavia-war are not 4T-events, they are rather devasting 3T-events (Russia seems to have a tendency for this). The 4T is for Russia about establishing the "New Order" and restoring the Great Power status. Stalin was successfull with this. If Putin will be successfull, we have to wait and see.
We're not talking about different cultures here. We're talking about different civilizations. Clearly Japan and the West are not the same civilization. Neither is India and the West. And that begs the question of in what turning was each country at the end of 1945. And this is before we get into the whole mega-saecular situation.
I'd argue that Russia's last mega crisis ended around 1922
China's 1949. The century of humiliation was a classic Mega-Crisis.
Japan's when US occupation ended.
Germany's last regular 4T shortly after the Berlin Airlift.
It may be useful to think of it as everyone having different time zones if one chooses to ignore the presence of a higher order of cycle which I call the Mega-Saeculum (lasting around four saecula).
I think there is a misunderstanding. I used culture in the german sense of Kultur, which can basicly used synonym with civilisation Zivilisation. I know the big differences between the civilisation, but it doesn´t change the fact, that in all this countrys were in the 1930/40th in a crisis, which ended post-1945.
like said before China 1949
India 1947/48
Japan somewhere between 1945-51 (I tend more to 1948)
and finally the Soviet Union 1945/46.
Like I said, I don´t see the Russian Revolution as a crisis, but as a 3T-event. Devasting like WWI, but like this still only a 3T-event. Post-1922 USSR is no High, for this it is with its NEP and landowning peasant not secure enough. The Crisis is Stalins rule, Collectivisation, the Holodomor, the Great Purge and finally WWII.