Wheels within wheels.

[Eric the Green]

(07-15-2019, 10:45 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(03-14-2017, 09:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Hillary is 1000 times more honest, good looking and authentic-sounding than Con-way, who cons her way all the time.

It's time to toss another log into this fire. One never knows where the Epstein rabbit hole will go.

https://www.ecosophia.net/the-long-view/


How about a long, stair step bounce down ?

That's more the consensus of T4T people, but I don't go along. According to the cycles described by Spengler and Toynbee, as I understood them, the Decline of the West was a major shift that started precipitously, and not as a long stair-step down, in the 1890s-1920s period. They also agree with 500 and 1000-year periods in the rise and fall of civilizations, which is the major though not the only cycle governing civilization's affairs.
http://philosopherswheel.com/fortunes.htm

By now, according to the civilization cycle, we should have risen out of the collapse of the old civilization in the world wars, into a new renaissance and golden age of the new global civilization, which is a major departure which in effect the soldiers in the trenches of the Great War fought for.

In the 1990s this new age seemed to have been established, and it was entitled the end of history and the new world order. The Wall came down and democracy spread across the world. I think this remains the major event of recent times that defines our world.

But there are shorter cycles involved; wheels within wheels indeed. I mentioned the cycle of revolution above. But there is also the saeculum, an even shorter cycle. The shorter the cycle, the less influence it has over the overall position we are in. But the saeculum is powerful, especially in the USA, and since we are a global civilization now, the world pretty much runs on the same saeculum cycle. 

S&H explained how this is a generational cycle, but astrologers had noticed this cycle already, and in modern times it corresponds to the orbit of Uranus, just as the cycle of civilization aligns with the Neptune-Pluto mutual phases, and the cycle of revolution with the Uranus-Pluto ones.

But however you explain these cycles, the point is that we are now still near the beginning of all the major cycles, except for the saeculum. So, a 4T crisis following a longer than usual 3T decline in the saeculum cycle has intervened to make it appear that the golden age didn't begin, but instead that another great collapse is due (only 120 years after the last one).

Yes, we need to go through this crisis, and all knowledgeable prophets like me predicted long ago that we would go through it; but in the larger picture, the longer cycles still rule-- above all the 500-year one. So, it will rule, and the crisis of the 2020s will not be the end of America, or the start of its long decline. On the contrary, the new cycle that began in the 1890s has only just begun. The new foundations of the new global civilization established over the 20th century will endure, and we will make the breakthroughs that your author derides.

There may be a long decline, but it will ensue in about 150-200 years from now, and will last until the 25th century.

And as far as America is concerned, we must look at it as the expression of Renaissance Europe, not as having been founded in 1776. So the 1890s represent the start of the second half of its 1000-year cycle. And the 1890s-1920s period also represents America folding into the new global civilization, which has only existed since then.