A broken cycle?

[Eric the Green]

(07-24-2019, 11:30 AM)Mikebert Wrote:

(07-23-2019, 12:36 PM)David Horn Wrote:

Eric the Green Wrote:... David, what "consensus" did Lincoln have? The consensus required is enough unity on the Democratic side to at least vote out the Republicans, as in 1860 (the Democrats were the party to vote out then, of course). It occurs if the Democrats can stop the voter suppression going on, and nominate candidates who have a chance to win, not stiff or weak wonkies (for 2020, it appears that\'s Bernie or Biden as nominees who have a chance, since Landrieu, McAuliffe and Brown bowed out; chicken ckicken.....). Even a win by a slight majority will be enough, especially if the Democrats can get the Senate back and revise the filibuster.

We'll have a 4T; that's all but guaranteed. The question is whether it will be a "failed" 4T, like Germany's in the last round. I guess there's another question: can anyone rescue us, like we did for them? But if we fail, then the next 1T will be a "recovery" and a slide into banana republic status, not an "American High." I am predicting success for us, from the solar system indicators.

I think you missed my point.  Political solutions require consensus building.  When that's impossible, only two conditions can arise:

• No solution emerges.  Typically, this means that the issues at hand are not that critical to the two (or more?) sides,  and gridlock is acceptable, or
  
• Violence erupts, possibly leading to outright war.  Resolution though violence is possible, as history has shown many times.
  

There is also the "fifth horseman" to Walter Schiedel's Four, financial/economic collapse. See the paper I posted most recently on the FB group.

It is interesting to compare the 4Ts in the history of the United States (leaving aside the earlier ones for the moment) from an astrological perspective referring to the Return cycles which have coincided with 4Ts. Each 4T is a cyclic Return of the Revolution in which the USA was born. Uranus returning every 84 years, returns every time. The Civil War broke out when Uranus returned to the same degree of the ecliptic it had been in in 1776. The Great Depression and World War II 4T happened during the time of Neptune's Return in about 1939, the year the war broke out. Uranus returned to the same degree as 1776 on D-Day. In that Return, the USA returned the favor France had given her in the Revolution, by liberating her on D-Day from the German conqueror. The foreign enemy was uppermost as an issue in this Return in 1939-1944.

In our 4T, we have another Uranus Return due in 2027, and a Pluto Return due in 2022. So this cycle indicates a Return of the Revolution.

In addition in 2025-26, Neptune Returns to its position on the day the Civil War broke out, which also begins (and on that day April 13, 1861, began) a new zodiacal cycle by entering Aries 0 degree (the spring equinox point).

So we have three returns going on, and it's much more about the nature and rulership of our nation than about a foreign threat or liberation from a foreign oppressor.