De Facto Civil War Between Police and the Public?

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(07-08-2016, 02:06 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-08-2016, 12:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: What is happening is truly tragic and mind-boggling. Perhaps Bob's "spiral of violence" is escalating. We have tragic mass shootings, which are becoming more and more racial and culturally-directed. The crazies and the angries of all kinds are able to make themselves heavily armed, thanks to American obsession with guns and free-access to them. We have the police patrolling neighborhoods in fear of all these crazies, angries and gangs with guns, tending to often shoot first and ask questions later. And they literally get away with murder. We have endemic racial profiling and injustice, resulting in tremendous anger at the police, especially in black communities. Conservative pundits even say that Martin Luther King Jr. would be "appalled" at the black lives matter movement, when it's obvious he'd be leading it, and justifiably so.

The Dallas reason concerns me over and above most of the recent incidents for several reason.

I'm getting a sense of tit for tat.  Black lives were taken, and there was a response.  The timing was too tight.  It had to have been a response.  I have often thought it takes two to spiral.  Things are more apt to escalate if both factions see themselves directly responding to provocations from the other side.  I don't see the police acting so.  They have chronic problems with poor training, lingering race problems, and a Blue Wall of Silence culture that makes a deadly few think they can get away with it.  One might justly claim it is only a very few bad cops, but too many incidents are being recorded and released to the press.  It feels like and is a chronic problem, even if the vast majority of police are guilty only by association.

The sniper / ambush tactics are a big change.  Such an approach might be survivable by the shooter.  The usual spree shooter is suicidal.  I've a sense that in many cases you have disturbed shooters who are going to kill themselves anyway and figure they might as well go out with headlines.  If ambush / sniper style shooters take a few shots then leave, everybody might have to start rethinking tactics.  (I'll take the initial shots, then retreat in this direction.  The real kill zone is here.  The bombs should be placed here, here and there.  The sewer manhole is there.)

The police response was also different.  A bomb squad robot on the attack, with explosives on the end of its arm?  It makes all sorts of sense given the situation, but it is certainly a notable change.

There are reports of a second shooter.  That could be the beginning of coordinated activity.  That is potentially a big jump from the lone nut to organized resistance.

It seems too soon to say whether Dallas is going to be a unique event or the beginning of a significant escalation.

I hope police abuse of power and the response to it aren't the central issue of a violent 4T movement.  As serious as the issue is, it doesn't tie in well with more basic economic and control of political power issues.  I think economic inequality should be the primary focus.  The race and violence issue could tie in if the central idea is a rejection of arrogant habitual abuse of power.  I don't know that such a broad general meme can take hold.

Whatever it is, whatever it's about, it's clear to me that you're to tied to the liberal playbook and the beliefs associated with it to resolve the issues we face today. Sorry dude, I'm going to have to write off the current crop of Democrats as representing the solutions to our current problems. It may take a few more rough years for reality to sink into liberal brains but the reality is here to stay.