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What are your specialities?
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(09-24-2019, 08:06 AM)Ldr Wrote:
(09-24-2019, 05:48 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: ...the desire for justice and equal opportunity for all is caused by some other hormone condition than the fear of those who are different.

Actually, it is not, it's both oxytocin and vasopressin that (in excess) create instinctual desire for both flatter social hierarchy and xenophobia. If one is a "leftist/multiculturalist", then excess amount of these hormones causes one to hate the xenophobic groups of people. This two-sided dynamic was an element in the US Civil War (not to be debated here how much), and it clearly is an element today in the left vs. right polarized political climate in most Western nations. It all depends on what group/team/nation/tribe/village/ you belong to. One has to also remember that this behavior is in no way unique to humans, as other animal species also discriminate on the basis of one's appearance, hence the black sheep metaphors, which also accounts for behavior. This is why in a 4th turning the social norms tighten and those are shunned who do not comply with the new norms.


Look at all the revolutions that have happened during the 4th turnings. A revolution is often driven by a hate towards someone who is seen an oppressor, be it a monarch or a democratically elected leader, which is why during a 4th turning, as the social hierarchy is flatter, these revolution and such often come about. As for UK/US, the Glorious revolution happened just as a 4th turning was about to begin (high oxytocin levels), and the American Revolutionary War and Civil War took place during 4th turnings. Chapter 3 shows that Europe has seen much of the same, as most major European revolutions have happened during the late 3rd turning or 4th turning. The generational hormone theory's hormone levels fits all of these events.

I know it's a somewhat common idea that left and right are equal, and polarization is just my group against your group. I don't agree, of course. If people are genuinely oppressed by authority, whether that be the authority of a small dominant group of rich people who keep them poor, or a president or other government overstepping democracy and suppressing freedom, or requirements to go off to fight an illegal war, then people often rise up against this injustice. If hormones are rising, likely roused into action by the soul and spirit of the people, rather than the spirit emerging from the hormones, then it is natural during 4Ts, when society is in crisis and people suffer from this oppression, for them to rise up and put those hormones and bile and emotional organs in the brain and whatever else into high gear.

But the right wing is motivated by entirely different impulses. For them, although many of them may also be suffering from economic deprivation caused by concentrated economic power, they are led astray by demagogues (who are given power by the same very small group that oppresses them) into scapegoating people who are different from them, instead of the oppressors. So as in today's right-wing, their followers are aroused by Donald Trump, Marie LePen, Bolsonaro, Morrison, Johnson, Orban, Duda, Netanyahu, Salman, Erdogen, Kim Jung Un, The Islamic State, The Taliban, or whoever, to blame people on the same economic level or lower than themselves, just because they are outsiders. Xenophobia is entirely right wing, and so is appeal to "self-reliance" as an ego-boosting slogan so their victims can blame people receiving help from the government and high taxes for their problems instead of the real culprits, which are the very demagogues and their backers who arouse their fear and prejudice.

These are entirely different folks, one on the left (genuine idealism and concern and desire to end injustice foisted upon themselves and others), and one on the right (hate and fear of other groups and blaming them for their problems). If the same hormone stirs both left and right, in your view, then it just proves that hormones explain very little about actual human behavior, besides being a source or tool of arousal into action or acting out, which comes out more often in 4Ts as I don't doubt.

But today, people tend to break faith with obvious truth, and look instead to outlandish explanations for what seems to them a chaotic and irrational world, whether this be a physical theory that denies human nature (as in this "hormone theory" case, because of skepticism about the goodness of human nature), or the maniac conspiracy theories today that enthrall some people on all sides of the political spectrum, looking for some sinister plot by some hidden group to explain everything that happens, instead of the obvious or well-proven facts.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-02-2019, 08:36 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-03-2019, 05:43 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-03-2019, 11:39 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-05-2019, 04:14 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by sbarrera - 09-05-2019, 07:22 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-05-2019, 09:42 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-06-2019, 07:08 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-06-2019, 08:31 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Hintergrund - 09-06-2019, 08:37 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-06-2019, 09:19 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-07-2019, 06:53 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Hintergrund - 09-09-2019, 05:04 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-09-2019, 08:17 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by David Horn - 09-09-2019, 09:44 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Hintergrund - 09-10-2019, 06:34 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-10-2019, 10:41 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-08-2019, 07:18 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-08-2019, 11:22 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-09-2019, 02:34 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-09-2019, 09:39 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-09-2019, 12:44 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-09-2019, 01:38 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ragnarök_62 - 09-09-2019, 02:04 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-09-2019, 02:14 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by David Horn - 09-09-2019, 03:09 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ragnarök_62 - 09-09-2019, 03:30 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-10-2019, 04:53 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-09-2019, 04:27 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-11-2019, 01:01 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-13-2019, 05:31 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-14-2019, 07:40 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-20-2019, 02:26 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-20-2019, 03:44 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-20-2019, 07:48 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-24-2019, 02:01 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-13-2019, 06:45 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-14-2019, 02:46 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-24-2019, 07:05 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Mikebert - 09-17-2019, 06:43 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-18-2019, 11:53 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Mikebert - 09-21-2019, 07:18 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-21-2019, 07:58 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-24-2019, 08:06 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-24-2019, 06:08 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Eric the Green - 09-26-2019, 01:33 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-29-2019, 06:43 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-29-2019, 12:39 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by beechnut79 - 09-29-2019, 03:27 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-29-2019, 08:15 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 10-05-2019, 11:26 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 10-06-2019, 11:11 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 10-06-2019, 01:54 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by beechnut79 - 10-08-2019, 06:29 PM
RE: What are your specialities? - by tg63 - 10-08-2019, 11:19 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 10-09-2019, 01:56 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 10-09-2019, 02:51 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-25-2019, 12:56 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-26-2019, 06:14 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 10-11-2019, 09:33 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 10-20-2019, 05:31 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 10-20-2019, 09:37 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 10-18-2019, 04:17 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 10-20-2019, 07:48 AM

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