10-02-2019, 06:59 AM
(10-02-2019, 01:01 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(10-01-2019, 09:37 AM)David Horn Wrote: This is one area that polling seems to handle poorly. Impeachment is a political death sentence, so supporters (especially Trump supporters) are uniquely unwilling to agree to it ... until they are. That's the rub. The change of heart is unpredictable, and tied to emotional rather than intellectual evidence. Is a supporter shocked or sufficiently dismayed by some aspect of or action by POTUS to push him (less likely) or her (more likely) over the edge? Once moved, does that person simply withdraw from the arena or become an active antagonist? Impossible to know until it happens.
We're still in the early days. I suspect that the temperament in the Democratic Party makes impeachment unavoidable, but the aftermath is still unknown and, frankly, unknowable. Public opinion can be driven as much as it can drive others to action or inaction. In another month, we'll have a better feel for where this is going, if anywhere.
Well, I hope the Democrats have someone (a whistle blower) with something more to offer than hearsay for evidence. You'd think blue Americans would understand that they live in a country where it takes more than just hearsay or hatred or fear of someone to convict or legally impeach someone. The blues keep showing us glimpses of their future system of justice and Americans continue rejecting it or ignoring it in favor of sticking with their own. Now, I don't really care if you're strung up by a group of blues for something someone else may have said or thought about you for whatever reason. Heck, I don't care if groups of blues start slaughtering each other the same way for the same clueless/lawless reasons. Right now, I'd say public opinion/attitude on this matter is pretty much "same old liberal/PROGRESSIVE crap different day" at this point.
It goes beyond hearsay. At this point we still have a potential case for impeachment, and we are wise to remember the dictum "innocent unless proved guilty". An impeachment is not a criminal trial, as it can be done for things that might not be criminal (the sexcapades of Bill Clinton).
By the way -- I am satisfied with our system of justice, except that it might be a good idea to abandon the capricious death penalty in state and federal law. I might have concerns with technical matters of law enforcement and evidence-gathering, but such revolves around the quality of police work.
So the vast majority of Democrats despise Donald Trump for his despotic style of governing. Well, that is our right, and the President has given us much cause to loathe him. What he has done would be very wrong if one of ours did it.
It is your right to confuse us with the Jacobins, just as it is your right to say that the 2019 Detroit Tigers are a superb baseball team. (47-114). You are free to consider Donald Trump the greatest thing to ever happen in American politics. Freedom includes the right to be very, very wrong.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.