To impeach, or not to impeach

[pbrower2a]

(10-05-2019, 05:53 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-02-2019, 12:58 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(09-30-2019, 08:59 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It keeps getting worse:

Ipsos/Reuters, Sep. 26-30, 2234 adults including 1917 RV (prior poll Sep. 23-24)

Adults:

Approve 39 (-3)
Disapprove 56 (+2)

Strongly approve 21 (nc)
Strongly disapprove 45 (+5)

Trump should be impeached: 

Yes 45 (+8)
No 41 (-4)

An elected official who uses the power of their office to attack political rivals should be removed:

Agree 63 (strongly 38)
Disagree 22 (strongly 7)

An elected official who uses a foreign government to attack a political rival should be removed:

Agree 66 (strongly 44)
Disagree 18 (strongly 6)


RV:

Approve 40 (-5)
Disapprove 56 (+2)

Strongly approve 23 (nc)
Strongly disapprove 45 (+3)

Trump should be impeached: 

Yes 45 (+6)
No 43 (-4)

An elected official who uses the power of their office to attack political rivals should be removed:

Agree 65 (strongly 40)
Disagree 23 (strongly 8 )

An elected official who uses a foreign government to attack a political rival should be removed:

Agree 69 (strongly 46)
Disagree 19 (strongly 6)

It is funny how a strong majority agrees that an elected official who uses his power to attack his political rivals should be removed from office, and yet Trump who has clearly done so only agrees by a few points that he should be impeached. It shows his power over his base of prejudiced and ignorant voters.

If a president is allowed to use his powers to attack his political opponents, and asks foreign governments to help him in this attack, then clearly we are no longer a democratic republic, and we have installed a dictator in office. We are scarcely better than North Korea or Saudi Arabia then. Trump's followers are just like the crowds celebrating 70 years of communist rule in China yesterday, while real people rise up for democracy against them in Hong Kong. Trump is Xi Jin Ping, the Republicans are his goose-stepping flag-waving followers, and the Democrats are the people of Hong Kong rising up for freedom.

I think its funny how the liberal mind works. All you have ever done over the years is either work or assist with controlling peoples minds.  Well, I've got one that you don't have the ability to control. I look at the information and what you claim and laugh. Once again, I suggest that you figure out a way to step up your logic/intelligence when we're back in town. I'm sorry but the bulk of the Republican folks above your intelligence level. I know that you guys teach that we are this and that and whatever else you get away with teaching recruits and supporters/followers about us. Based on what I've read and what I've seen over the years, the only difference between your folks and the folks trying to take control over Honk Kong is that they've been in power for fifty years and have a military that is capable of doing it as long as we don't get involved, bleed them economically and topple them like we did with the Soviet Union.

Liberals or not, most of us prefer using our minds instead of doing raw labor. Your skilled labor is as much mind-work as body-work, and I am not going to deride such. We all recognize that we need laborers to milk cows, pick fruits, herd livestock... there is no techno-fix capable of sparing us from hunger. Do you need shelter or infrastructure? That will take construction laborers in large numbers.  

Speaking of me...

Unless you are MENSA material, don't challenge me to an IQ test. On the other hand, I have no desire to challenge you on a test of skill at doing installation, maintenance, or repair of HVAC units.  Likewise, I have Asperger's...and a rigid gate and poor facial recognition (which creates some social embarrassments).  

I have big trouble with President Trump for his morals. I have known of brilliant people (extreme example: Joseph Goebbels) who are pure evil, and those people are all the more inexcusable.  But back to Trump -- he has shown a large number of moral lapses throughout his life, including grabbing women by ... you know. Without a female's consent such is "criminal sexual conduct" in Michigan... In New York State?

https://abovethelaw.com/2016/11/when-doe...l-a-crime/

(that also refers to a vagina and mentions Trump's behavior as a misdemeanor)

 https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/cr...attery.htm


The attempt to blackmail the President of a country particularly vulnerable to aggression by a large power is a crime. It looks like an impeachable offense. It is a matter of national security, and the non-partisan CIA sees to consider it an impeachable offense. Imagine that I went to the President of the Republic of China (Taiwan) and threatened that if I did not get a cash bribe I would give defense secrets to the People's Republic of China that might make the Taiwan indefensible. First, I would probably be arrested by Taiwan's authorities and sent to prison if convicted of the crime. If I got away after the transfer of funds to a secret bank account I would be subject to arrest by the United States practically anywhere that I went. 

Democrats who have recently seen impeachment of the President as premature and ineffective and thus unwise now recognize the necessity of impeachment. Even if it does not result in the removal of the President it will expose him for what he is and his supporters for the unprincipled myrmidons that they are. A Republican Senator can vote to remove someone who has done an act inconsistent with the limited powers of the President when the time arises or risk losing a Senate seat in the next election. 

This Presidency has no precedent for corruption and abuse of power.  If our side of the spectrum had a President doing something like this we would be ready to impeach and convict. 

We liberals believe in the rule of law, human rights, fair and free elections, a competitive political process, and Constitutional checks and balances. Such is morality. A President who violates those values is toying with despotism or dictatorship.