To impeach, or not to impeach

[Eric the Green]

(10-06-2019, 11:07 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-05-2019, 06:30 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Liberals or not, most of us prefer using our minds instead of doing raw labor. Your skilled labor is as much mind-work as body-work, and I am not going to deride such. We all recognize that we need laborers to milk cows, pick fruits, herd livestock... there is no techno-fix capable of sparing us from hunger. Do you need shelter or infrastructure? That will take construction laborers in large numbers.  

Speaking of me...

Unless you are MENSA material, don't challenge me to an IQ test. On the other hand, I have no desire to challenge you on a test of skill at doing installation, maintenance, or repair of HVAC units.  Likewise, I have Asperger's...and a rigid gate and poor facial recognition (which creates some social embarrassments).  

I have big trouble with President Trump for his morals. I have known of brilliant people (extreme example: Joseph Goebbels) who are pure evil, and those people are all the more inexcusable.  But back to Trump -- he has shown a large number of moral lapses throughout his life, including grabbing women by ... you know. Without a female's consent such is "criminal sexual conduct" in Michigan... In New York State?

https://abovethelaw.com/2016/11/when-doe...l-a-crime/

(that also refers to a vagina and mentions Trump's behavior as a misdemeanor)

 https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/cr...attery.htm


The attempt to blackmail the President of a country particularly vulnerable to aggression by a large power is a crime. It looks like an impeachable offense. It is a matter of national security, and the non-partisan CIA sees to consider it an impeachable offense. Imagine that I went to the President of the Republic of China (Taiwan) and threatened that if I did not get a cash bribe I would give defense secrets to the People's Republic of China that might make the Taiwan indefensible. First, I would probably be arrested by Taiwan's authorities and sent to prison if convicted of the crime. If I got away after the transfer of funds to a secret bank account I would be subject to arrest by the United States practically anywhere that I went. 

Democrats who have recently seen impeachment of the President as premature and ineffective and thus unwise now recognize the necessity of impeachment. Even if it does not result in the removal of the President it will expose him for what he is and his supporters for the unprincipled myrmidons that they are. A Republican Senator can vote to remove someone who has done an act inconsistent with the limited powers of the President when the time arises or risk losing a Senate seat in the next election. 

This Presidency has no precedent for corruption and abuse of power.  If our side of the spectrum had a President doing something like this we would be ready to impeach and convict. 

We liberals believe in the rule of law, human rights, fair and free elections, a competitive political process, and Constitutional checks and balances. Such is morality. A President who violates those values is toying with despotism or dictatorship.

Funny, I got the impression that Democrats are able to break laws and continue their Presidential campaigns with losing Democratic support. Prior to that, I got the impression that Democrat could have a sexual fling with an intern in the White House of all places and then lie about it while under oath and be able to remain in office and even be defended and excused for his behavior by his Democratic supporters several years later as well.

I'd say that most liberals aren't liberal today. The few that are more liberal are pretty meaning less/irrelevant at this point. How do liberals miss the obvious when it's right in front of the face and not see/make the connection as it relates to them? The only obligation we have to those on your side of the spectrum is to try to educate, help those who are capable of seeing beyond themselves and warn in advance of what is yet to come. I have to say, the liberals are some of the more interesting (more challenging) and most confusing/deceiving/manipulative people that I've ever met. As far as I'm concerned, I have already fulfilled my obligation.

You tend to make these general statements and it's hard to know specifically what you refer to, especially since I don't see things the same way you do. I don't know about any Democrats who break laws and continue their presidential campaigns while losing support. I don't know who you refer to. Certainly not the Clintons. Hillary didn't break any laws and all the charges against her are false. I checked the whole email nonsense out carefully and there's nothing there. Bill's affair was his own business and should never have been investigated. It was a partisan trap. He believed that sex was intercourse, and that therefore he didn't have a sexual affair with that woman. To impeach Bill for that was not only stupid but was a ridiculous example of how you guys behave. I know Bill was slick, but if you guys don't have anything you can nail down against him you should have left him alone.

Trump is asking other governments to invent conspiracy theories in order to smear his political opponents. He uses the office for his own financial gain. He should be carted out of the oval office and taken to jail.