To impeach, or not to impeach

[David Horn]

(10-09-2019, 04:05 PM)taramarie Wrote: Look I identify more with the left wing in your country as it is more close to home so to say. It is more kiwi. But I also have felt the sting from your side also, some who have this mentality if you are not religiously with them, you are the enemy and if you are the enemy you are a racist bigoted (insert any other insult they can find which isn't actually true). When you start to make questions to find the entire truth as a whole you instantly get that and it makes it near damned impossible to have a conversation. So it is more like the culture is on fire and both are screaming at each other and making accusations that are untrue wanting someone to blame.  I am a lefty here, just from a different country and because I like to question things and find the real truth and not a blind follower I instantly get accusations from my own side, just from a different country! How absurd! Hope that its just a few lefties I have met that are just nuts and isn't the norm. Yes I have encountered some interesting right wingers also who are lets say....extreme also. Seemingly obsessed with guns and super religious and against certain people having the same freedoms they enjoy which I find endlessly entertaining because I thought they were against lack of freedom and govt intervention but I guess they mean for THEM not those "adam and steves."

If you tap into the mindstream of ideologues, this is what it looks like.  Yes, you probably have had blowback that is both unfair and quite likely a bit bizarre.  Let's call that the product of the <1% on the left, and a bigger swath on the right.  That doesn't make the <1% better, just less common.

taramarie Wrote:It kinda goes against that belief of having freedoms and lack of govt intervention which btw is very different from our right wingers in my country. Interesting contrast. The worst has been that they feel if anyone would take away their way of life they are willing to kill for it, but they are quite willing to remove others rights whether it be equal marriage rights, womens rights etc. By them I have been accused that I want their country to burn to the ground and that I want to take away all of their guns and that I am going to burn in hell because I am not religious. The first two, believe it or not right wingers but it actually isn't true, but now then again it doesn't help for me to explain why not now does it. So I wont even bother.

There are actually two distinct variants of "the right" in the US.  While they support each other politically, their beliefs are actually different, and diametrically opposed at times.  There is an excellent study of this, and you can find it at Hidden Tribes of America.  If you scroll down on the main page, you'll see the definitions of the tribes, and the fact that the left has one fringe, but the right has two.

taramarie Wrote:The third accusation almost would be laughable if it wasn't sad. It is abusive but also tells me they were abused into their own religion by their elders. In short, I have noticed both have their agendas and both do point out some very justified inconsistencies. However there is a lot of lies thrown around and I can just state from my own experience why I believe what I do due to what I have experienced and I hope that this isn't the norm over there. Both want as far as I can tell, govt to have the control to fulfil what suits them more it seems to me and both will make the other side an enemy to prevent conversation. 

No one is more a true believer than a convert.  The no-longer-religious are zealous in their non-beliefs, so yes, you'll get some weird stuff there too.

taramarie Wrote:Should be interesting how this shit storm turns out I will say. I just hope this sort of thing never happens in my country.

Somehow, it seems highly unlikely.  Yours was not created as a haven for every religious fringe group of the time, so it's not in your country's DNA.