To impeach, or not to impeach

[Classic-Xer]

(10-11-2019, 10:38 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(10-11-2019, 08:42 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-11-2019, 03:11 AM)taramarie Wrote:

(10-11-2019, 01:49 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-11-2019, 12:10 AM)taramarie Wrote: Btw consider this before saying anything that one of my best friends ran away from home because her parents did not accept her being a lesbian. We lived right next door to each other for years and then one day I found an ambulance was dragging out her body and putting her in an ambulance. I knew she was depressed but had no idea she would do what she did. She gassed herself in her car and deliberately killed herself. For years I tried my best to be of support but in the end the lack of support and the shaming for just being who she was was too much for her. So do consider this before typing a response. I lost someone near and dear and have heard what it is like first hand and had to see her body taken away.

I knew a gal in high school who killed herself for the same reason as your friend. I knew a guy in high school who killed himself the same way as your friend but did it for a different reason. I now another guy (my best friends older brother) who I knew my entire life who killed himself the same way as your friend for a different reason. You may want to consider all these experiences as well.

I am fully aware that people kill themselves for other reasons. My uncle killed himself also. But to ignore THIS as another reason for someone to kill themselves is unfortunately sheer ignorance and the question is, are you just ignorant or being wilfully so? This is actually just avoiding the topic to others so lets stick to this topic shall we? I knew her very well and what her issues were and why she wanted to do it. There are many reasons why someone kills themselves. But this would get off the topic entirely and I will not be doing that today as that is an avoidance tactic and a shameful one at that. The question is however why would you want to be avoiding it and pointing to others when the topic at hand is about the homosexual community? Is it too harsh and uncomfortable topic or you do not know how else to respond to someone who has had experience close hand to what a destructive society can and does do to the psyche of those who do not shape up to what society thinks is "normal" and worthy of their acceptance? Stick to the topic otherwise it does appear you are trying to avoid it or if you rather avoid it, state as such instead of tiptoeing around it by pointing to other things. Do you have any clue what you have done which basically is "whataboutism" which is well known for avoiding what is uncomfortable and not facing and addressing actual problems and stating oh but what about this and that? Which is not facing anything really. To truly understand ONE issue you need to keep your focus on that ONE topic. Many people kill themselves. There are varying reasons why. We are discussing the very real reality of the human condition of homosexuals. A man your age should have far better attention than this.

I didn't ignore it as you say. I fully acknowledged that what happened to your friend had also happened to someone that I knew back in high school. I was aware of that happening with homosexuals long before you made me aware of what happened to your very close friend. As far as my so-called "whataboutism", what about it? I wasn't one of her parents. If I was one of her parents, she'd most likely still be alive. I hope that you don't make the mistake of thinking/believing that I'm incapable of being friendly with Homosexuals or respectful towards Homosexuals. Now, as far as I'm concerned, we are done with this topic. BTW, I also understand your obligation to defend the honor of your close and in a way defend her from a group of religious people/zealots that you detest and most likely view as being responsible for her death.

I do know they were responsible for her death given how she was acting and what she was saying just before her death. As we are done with the topic the only thing I will say in this case is respond to your whataboutism question. When one is talking about a topic, it is more productive to stick to it and not point to other cases by a similarity. In this case suicide from other cases where people take their life. Other reasons which were not sticking to the topic. When you do that of saying "what about them?" instead of focusing on one problem it tends to draw attention from a much needed issue to discuss which in the long run is not productive to teach people awareness and solutions to be found. Does not mean you but it is actually not productive for educating those who do not understand fully certain topics and wont be helpful for society in the long run if attention cannot be fully focused on at least one problem if attention is directed elsewhere because what about those people. In short, it is avoidant. I know fully well different reasons. I myself have contemplated suicide quite often and my uncle actually jumped a bridge a year ago. He died. We both have our different reasons. It all is very personal what reasons drive people to do it, but the underlying theme under it all is disconnection and hopelessness if you wanted to bring in the others as well as suicide for homosexuals. The difference being they have been cut out of society's acceptance and worse still for some, their own family and/or church for just being them. No matter what some may say people do need acceptance love and understanding and not isolation and being thrown out and outcast especially for developing minds of the young which I do know to a certain point hence my cptsd. Yes if you wish we can stop the topic now. I am relieved to know you are kind. It is hard to tell online.

You can continue speaking on the topic if you wish.