To impeach, or not to impeach

[pbrower2a]

(10-15-2019, 04:01 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-12-2019, 11:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-12-2019, 09:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-12-2019, 05:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-12-2019, 10:34 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: In recent years, the United States has endured a strong trend toward pure plutocracy in which most people are obliged to suffer for a tiny elite of rich and powerful people seemingly unaccountable to anyone. Seemingly. There was Jeffrey Epstein, and there is Donald Trump. We are in a Crisis Era, and this one seems so far to elevate the narcissist as much as the last one tore the narcissistic tendency down. If the Depression did not shake people of narcissism, then the Second World War did. We need to go to some basics -- do good for people, and you will do well... but do bad things to people and be ruined.

I agree. Now, how much of that plutocracy is liberal as you say and more enthused with funding their own pet projects abroad and more enthused with funding their political choice and more enthused with feeding their own precious ego's and more enthused drinking expensive wine and eating expensive food and seeking to again more attention to/for themselves or flying around the world at the taxpayers expense promoting their ideology and themselves to the children of those who are similar to them or promoting family members or close friends while being treated and served like kings and queens of old. PB, do you think I would cry, get upset or feel bad if an event similar to the French revolution took place in San Fransisco or California and Nancy Pelosi was placed on public trial and voted guilty and beheaded. Nope, I wouldn't be upset because that is what they do, what they teach by doing it and seem to be OK with it.

It is the people you support and vote for who are the plutocratic elite, not the people liberals like me vote for and support.

Your anti-tax, anti-welfare, pro-gun ideology enables the plutocrats to have lower taxes, fewer regulations, less government; and this enables them to pile up riches and build the oligarchy.

Dude, the plutocratic elites are the ones financially backing you guys now. Dude, NIKE or any other flashy brand has more sway over blues than reds. Where the fuck do you think the billions being spent to elect ho de do liberal Democrats is coming from? Hint: it's not falling from the sky or falling off tree branches. It's coming from plutocrats. You have a blue plutocrat representing a Republican district. Do you know how a blue plutocrat runs their business? The blue plutocrat pays their employees minimum wage, skirts the laws by only allowing their people to work part time or slightly below legal full time hours and relies upon federal/state programs to take care of the rest for them. So, you go ahead point fingers at me while I laugh at you for not having an f-n clue as to what is going on here.

I think what I wrote above is a good summary of who enables the plutocrats. It is certainly not some of us who buy nike shoes. People of all persuasions do that. I don't think you are going to be able to divide runners at a 10K or a marathon into blues and reds. Good luck with that though; let me know how you make out with your survey   And anyway, I thought you guys were all in favor of self-reliance? If more of us bought those shoes and did their running or other exercize, health care would not be so damned expensive.

It is clear that many  plutocrats have deep pockets for supplying money to politicians and advocacy groups when such expenditures can lead to cuts in costs (wages and regulation) or achieve new profits (through crony capitalism and sweetheart deals for privatization of public assets). It is possible that the difference between the "Crisis of 1940" in America and the current one is that in the last Crisis, Big Business was unable to buy the political process; in this one Big Business has the means. 

Due to the concentration of industry, few of us have much choice in the consumer products that we buy. I have an aversion to buying anything offered by Koch Industries because of its support for right-wing politics.    

Quote:Most plutocrats are Republicans. A few like Buffett have some liberal ideas; good for them. But as to which party supports the plutocrats in exchange for campaign contributions, the Republicans get the bulk of that, but so do some Democrats, because that's the system which you Republicans impose upon us in the name of free enterprise. YOUR supreme court has decreed this. This charge that Democrats are elected by plutocrats has been decided a while back by the Citizens United decision. 5 Republican appointees voted to keep money in politics on the basis of "free speech," while 4 Democratic appointees voted to get money out of politics. Democrats want reform of the system; Republicans want to make the system always beholden to big money. Case closed.

Some plutocrats are wise enough to recognize that a social order in which the common man has no hope for a good life is at risk of a proletarian revolution. People with either hope or happiness in what exists at the time have no cause for revolt. Countries on the brink of revolution are unhappy places. Only fools want to live in such places no matter how plush the setting is for them.