To impeach, or not to impeach

[Eric the Green]

(10-15-2019, 06:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-15-2019, 03:50 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-14-2019, 06:21 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-14-2019, 01:02 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(10-13-2019, 10:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What do you expect, you guys are still promoting socialism/socialist ideology. You don't look/act like a dead horse.

Uh, I like some "socialist" stuff like roads, post office, cops, firemen, rules to keep Big Oil from violating my property rights (my body), and our private healthcare system is broken. I'll take Medicare now, which really should begin at age 0 instead of 65. Oh, yeah, I want my Social Security, cause I don't know how old I'll to be.

So, what do the Republicans have on offer?

Well, I don't associate road maintenance/constructions, law enforcement, the US postal service, firemen, military and so on with socialism. I don't even view Medicare and Social Security as socialist programs. However, I do view Medicare for all starting at birth or single payer as a socialist program. Me, I like the freedom to choose my healthcare provider and the freedom to choose another healthcare provider. I'm a private sector guy myself and I don't like the idea of being reliant on a bureaucratic system for all my healthcare needs.

And on that basis you call all Democrats "socialists?"

There is a range of opinion among Democrats on Medicare and healthcare. The Republicans want to take all Medicare and social security away and privatize roads, prisons, the postal service, etc.

I don't see any difference between medicare for seniors and medicare for all. What's the difference? If it works for older people, why not for everyone? Private insurance takes people off their insurance for no reason and jacks up rates and deductibles without cause or prior notice. Medicare allows me to choose my doctor.  Most insurance programs, I think, have networks and require you to choose someone in the network. There's no difference between private and public on that account. Just calling one bureaucratic, and the other one private sector, is just labeling. There is no difference between a public and private bureaucracy. Corporations are bureaucracies too, except they are owned by a few billionaires instead of by we the people.

If you don't call "medicare and social security, road maintenance/constructions, law enforcement, the US postal service, firemen" socialist , where do you draw the line? Why do you assume that all blue Democrats (and all Democrats are "blue") are communists, when what we advocate is a mixed system, and so do you?

Dude, I don't call all Democrats socialists or view them all as socialists. I know that there is a difference between the Democratic voters. I know the  party is split about even ( roughly half in favor of more socialism and the other half in favor of more capitalism). I've already clearly stated that in other posts. Where do I draw the line? I'd draw the line some where between you and Bob or Bob and Roadbuilder. Dude, America isn't dumb. If you want a mixed system as you say, you should stop opening your/our doors to so many poor people for whatever reason and stop loading down / flooding the system and adding more and more programs to the system. Hint: The ones who enable (are) the ones most reliant upon their money and reliant upon their tax dollars to fund socialist programs or pet programs.

I do want a mixed system. I am a former small capitalist myself and I have investments. Communism would not be good for me. So that doesn't change if I also take positions you disagree with. Which I do. But it is rare for any two people to agree on most things in life.

I don't see a flood of new social and poverty programs to the system these days. That happened mostly in the sixties, and since Reagan they have been cut back, and poverty levels have not budged or increased since then. Liberals like me believe that the government helping people get out of poverty is a benefit to the system overall. Poverty does not create jobs for rich people or business owners. 

There have been floods of people crossing our borders lately. Yes I think they should be treated like human beings, and I think this flood, which I predicted long ago would happen in these times (using planetary cycle correlations), is due to the poor governance by nations in Latin America, as well as the climate change pressures caused by failure of our system to convert to non-polluting energy and land management.

I want a fair tax system. That means a good balance between reasonable taxes that don't crush business owners, plus enough regulation to cure bad business practices that harm people, and enough taxes on wealthier people to fund the programs that help people get along and advance, and thus add to our prosperity. The "job creaters" are not the main source of this prosperity, and welfare programs do not perpetuate poverty. More people working for fair wages and salaries and spending money is the main source of a good economy. Seeing through the smokescreen of trickle-down economics is the main difference of liberals from conservatives in these times. But that does not necessarily make us socialists.

Roadbuilder, also known as Kevin I believe on that secret site we are not involved in, is more of a social than an economic conservative, because as a Jones late Boomer he felt that the pressure to conform to the freewheeling sex life of hippie boomers ruined his chances for monogamy.