To impeach, or not to impeach

[Classic-Xer]

(10-31-2019, 12:16 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-31-2019, 12:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-30-2019, 11:09 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-30-2019, 02:44 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-29-2019, 02:02 PM)David Horn Wrote: This was said about Nixon too, and Trump is the modern Nixon.  If GOP Senators feel threatened, the calculus will change fast.  If not, then it will left to posterity to address this properly … or not.  

Personally, I think Trump would be okay with being impeached and convicted, it he is then able to parlay that into a Trump Network to rival Fox.  He hates this job, and he's not making money like he expected.

1. According to you, he's making all kinds of money off being President. I don't think he's making nearly as much as he did while in business. Now, according to you, he's not making money like he expected going in so to speak.
   
2. Won't you be surprised if Obama turns out to be the modern Nixon today as you says.
   
3. One thing I've learned about the liberals over the years is liberals/Progressives/blues tend to ignore, try to avoid and openly defy/ go against conventional wisdom as much as humanly possible.
   
4. How much is a fake news channel going to be worth in six years? I bet he'll be able to purchase the old TV networks  and all their newer cable networks for a bargain price.
   

Answering your points in order:

1. Trump never expected to win in the first place.  He planned to start Trump Network all a long.  That he won instead is the primary reason he's so extreme in his narcissism.  But let's get this straight, he rates everything in monetary terms, and his Presidency isn't getting it done for him.
   
2. How on God's green earth can Obama be Nixon?  He had a blemish-free 8 years.
   
3. Whose conventional wisdom are you citing here?  Standard run-of-the-mill conventional wisdom or your own?
   
4. Are you arguing that Fox will crash, or is it CNN or MSNBC?  Personally, I doubt that Facebook will be the preferred source for much longer, since Zuckerberg is working overtime to make them the Lying Network -- by his own admission.
   

!. What you say about Trumps original intentions and his expectations doesn't (jibe) with what I saw him do and the relentless approach that he took towards winning the election back in 2016. I'm sorry but a candidate who isn't all that interested in winning because they are more interested in accomplishing or achieving some other goal for themselves doesn't start the process of directly engaging and eliminating the competition from top to bottom like he did during the Republican primary in 2016. You should be familiar with this, I accomplished a similar task using a similar style and approach as him. Also, Trump could have started the Trump Network without running for President if that was all that he was truly more interested in accomplishing that during his lifetime. Trump is practical minded. A practical minded person wouldn't drop everything and go all in when they know their the underdog and the odds of winning aren't in their favor. An idealistic minded person would ignore reality and ignore the odds and continue preaching and continue following their faith in destiny like Obama.

Trump seems to have seen nothing more than the prospect of winning. Politics is about getting the opportunity to serve either voters or (all too often) the special interests that bankrolled one's campaign. Hillary Clinton was thinking far more of issues of policy once elected, probably with Democrats making big gains in the Senate that did not materialize. 

Donald Trump is a failure as President because once elected he has seen American politics as largely the glorification of his ego as the measure of his success. Trump's practicality is about nothing other than his own gain, indulgence, and self image. Leaders like that in other countries have been able to destroy or co-opt democratic institutions as the political life is reduced to robotic obedience and media are transformed into conduits for the personality cult.

Many people believe in the personality cult -- but far more don't. Those of us who have read of the horror of totalitarian regimes see far too much in common between Trump and with outright dictators.  

 

Quote:2. Are you aware of the more serious criminal investigation that been going on behind the scenes for a while now? I assume you most likely are aware of an investigation that liberal news has been portraying as a sinister plot and portraying Anthony Bahr the evil henchmen who's taken care of business for his evil boss Donald Trump. Maybe not, you may be more interested in the liberal investigation into Donald Trump that's trying to find enough legal grounds for impeachment that's been going on instead. What did Nixon do that got him in so much trouble? I know what he did and what he did is very similar to what may have happened to Donald Trump. I must say the initial evidence was pretty overwhelming considering it was just a portion of evidence that Fox and some talented individuals were able to obtain and piece together on their own.

Threatening to deny military aid already allocated by Congress to Ukraine, a country that has endured several efforts by its giant neighbor to transform Ukraine into a satellite while promising to allow such aid to go to Ukraine if the President of Ukraine will dredge up dirt on the son of one of the President's likely opponents is  a monstrous wrong. It is abuse of power, and it seems more flagrant than anything that Richard Nixon ever did. 

If you take FoX Propaganda Channel as a serious news source, then you are a fool.

Quote:3. It's a blend of average run of the mill and the additional that I have gained over many years.

Mush.

Quote:4. No, I don't think Fox will crash and be purchased by it's liberal competitors. I think it's more likely that the big three and their cable channels will be sold or dumped by their owners because of liabilities relating to owning them. If what you said about Trump has some truth to it, Trump will most likely end up purchasing the best of the litter after he leaves office.

FoX News is an oxymoron. It is a source of overt propaganda for the Trump Presidency, and it was nearly non-stop demonization of Barack Obama. It has no subtlety on such. Should the Trump Presidency and the GOP implode, then what will be left of Fox News? Like most once-going concerns that loses its ability to generate profits from operations it will be worth more dead than alive, worth less than the sum of its assets. FoX News has sophisticated technology and competent journalists. Its problem is in extreme editorial bias.

I suggested ABC and CBS because those networks have no cable news and might find such tempting.

Broadcast news does well. Credibility is everything in news, and GOP Pravda is losing such credibility as it once had.

Fox News is ranked NO. 1 as far as cable news goes and isn't all that far away from directly competing with the old national news channels. Yes. The GOP may end up being discarded by the bulk of its American base and wiped out by the Democrats and then replaced by a radical old school American based party that doesn't give a crap about what happens to the remnants of the GOP and the Democratic Party or the government that they represent. As I recall, Obama found himself powerless when he really ticked off the American base that currently supports the GOP and President Trump. Dude, you already admitted that if we get ticked off, we could shut you down and create all kinds of problems/ issues that the blues lack the power to do much of anything about these days. Yes, the blues have the power to shut down blue cities and make life miserable/scary for it's citizens and the power make doing business damn near impossible in their areas as well. Do we care? Nope, we aren't dumb enough or poor enough or ignorant enough or rich enough or liberal/blue enough to live in blue area. So, whatever goes on there or whatever is f-d up there or whatever happens to those who live there or those who are in charge there doesn't matter much to us.

I don't know which one of the original three has the lowest ratings right now because I rarely watch any of them these days. I haven't watched any of them much since Bush election ( the early election call by all three of them and their cable news affiliates) debacle in 2000 and the major Brokaw boo boo in 2004. Now, a partisan blue twit like you may still view them as credible these days and a person who doesn't have/ never has had Fox News Channel may not know what they're missing as far as news is concerned or they may not be aware that there is a whole other side or angle to everything that is going on that they may view as important to them or investigation wise these days. I've seen all of the Democratic controlled news channels and what I've seen of the cable news channels over the years seems to be very slanted and juvenile in comparison to what I see/ experienced on Fox. Like I've said, it's so obvious it's comical these days. Now, I'm not an avid Fox News Channel watcher myself. I only tune in when something big happens or when something big is going on and so forth. Have you ever watched Fox News? I should warn you, you could have your feelings hurt at times because they can be very critical when they're speaking about people like you and others who used to post and others who still post here regularly.