To impeach, or not to impeach

[Eric the Green]

(11-04-2019, 08:25 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-02-2019, 04:29 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-29-2019, 08:44 AM)Hintergrund Wrote: What's the point of it? The Democrats will never get 67 votes against Trump. So what is this good for? To show that they really, really dislike him? I think we all know about that.

There's always a chance that concern for justice and the interests of the country will prevail over the Republican Party ideology and loyalty, even if a slim chance. The Republicans are actually right that impeaching him may be the only way to defeat him. It so happens that impeachment is also necessary because otherwise our society ratifies Trump's behavior of using his office solely for his own power and wealth without any concern for other powers in the government. We would be on the way to Mussolini taking power in the USA. 

But it's also true that a first-term impeached president, but who was not yet removed from office, has never yet stood for re-election. Impeachment by the House might put Trump at just enough of a disadvantage to overcome his natural talents and the cheating and power plays of the Republicans that put him in office. It might convince just enough voters in Wisconsin (and PA and MI) to swing the election to one of the relatively-inadequate Democratic candidates now likely to be nominated.

Most Republicans will call this impeachment a partisan witch hunt, and stay loyal to their demagogic cheetftain. But enough working-class independents and Democrats who voted for Trump in 2016 might switch that it could shift the electoral college into the Democratic column. The voters then might complete what the loyalist, Trumpist, partisan Republicans in the Senate refused to do-- these senators knowing as they do that they are stuck at the hip to this clownface as the only hope they have to win.

The way I see it, the two sides have already made up their minds on that issue. I'd say it's very obvious that the impeachment push the Democratic congress is driven by partisanship. Right now, I'd say the Democrats are going to have to impeach him because they've left themselves no other choice or option but to do it at this point. The question is, how many people view the Democrats as actually doing it for so called justice and the country as they claim instead of actually doing it for themselves to obtain power and how many people view that as being a good thing for them. I've been telling you of a natural split/fault line that exists within the Democratic ranks that doesn't exist within the Republican ranks these days. You are already on the way to Mussolini taking power in Blue America. How many time's have I've told you that our side doesn't mind watching as the blues dig themselves deeper holes and continue burning bridges with groups of Americans. So, it's more of a matter of whether America will allow you to continue and learn the hard way for yourselves while being cut off and isolated as America continues to go about it's business and continues to go about with its lives. You see, it's easy to ignore blues in real life like I used to do before posting here.

Republicans seem 90% behind Trump these days, but without him fault-lines appear on your side two. But let's take your division and take a look. Right now, moderate Democrats and independents leaning Democratic are leaning more blue. You see that in suburbs who are turning away from Trump and the Republican extremism. There is a fault-line, though, within Democrats between gradualists and whole-hog progressives. The latter are not really extremists, except by comparison to you red-state and red-county guys, who compared to the rest of the developed world are way off on the extreme right; provincial and parochial rednecks and hillbillies at heart. 

But it looks like your "America" red group has about 40% of the vote, with blue moderates about 25% and blue progressives about 25%, with 10% at the most up for grabs. That's just a rough estimate, and these categories are fluid. But a good president, like Obama was, will unite both Democratic factions for the most part and swing the majority of independents along, while Trump will have to settle for about 45% in that case. Rumphead could still win though, because he only needs 46% for an electoral college win if there's a third party candidate that's strong, if voters are suppressed, if big dark money talks, and if Republican cheating and hacking is successful.