11-19-2019, 03:53 AM
(11-19-2019, 01:45 AM)Teejay Wrote: Many others who and I have done research into turnings and generations in various societies across the world. Argue that not all the world is on the same saeculum as us. Some of us have lived in some of these societies and can be considered ‘on the ground’ observers. I consider myself as an ‘on ground’ observer for Australia and can argue that our generations are 5-6 years younger than North America’s.
Therefore; when you encounter a public figure from a society which does not have the same saeculum as ours, you need to consider how they fit archetypically wise with their society.
For example; Ali Khamenei (1939), Alexander Lukashenko (1954) and Vladimir Putin (1952) have very Reactive personalities. However, they are all members of their society’s Reactive generations, which were born roughly from the late 1930s to late 1950s (roughly). Going back into the histories of these regions, it explains why both Lenin and Stalin had personalities consistent with that of members of a Reactive generation, well they were members of their societies Reactive generation. The same went for Ataturk (1981), Khrushchev (1894) and an contemporary example Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (1956) having Civic personalities, well they were members of their societies Civic Generations. To give another example; South Africa Trevor Noah seems to have an adaptive personality, well South Africans born from say the early 1970s to early 1990s, belong to an Adaptive generation which grew up in a Crisis. Also, you need to account for turning and generation boundaries in societies, even those on roughly the same saeculum as ours.
However; every generation is composed of people of every archetype, however one archetype dominates each generation. But you need to know what a particular society's generational lineup is like as well.
(11-19-2019, 02:20 AM)Teejay Wrote: The Americans who posted on the Old Fourth Turning forum I am in contact with, many of them argue that America's current crisis started as early as 2005. I find their arguments very compelling, seeing parallels between what happened in America in 2005 and Australia in 2009.
Anyway, when it comes to Australia, it started in early 2009, with specifically the Black Saturday Bushfires of February to March 2009. While bush-fires, even devastating ones are common in Australia. However, these bushfires woke up society up to sheer lack of foresight and preparation by the state government of Victoria (where the fires occurred) to anticipate such a disaster. The Victorian state government in response initiated a Royal Commission into the bush-fires which was unprecedented in history.
Also in 2009 the country's politics, particularly at the Federal level, started to experience radicalization, with the issue of Global Heating and measures to combat it is the main issue. The Rudd Labor government had been elected in a landslide in 2007, at the start of 2009, the government enjoyed a high level of popular support. However, in 2009 the government's popularity tanked, which led to Kevin Rudd's overthrow as Prime Minister and Labor leader in 2010.
There were various factors, including failure of a home insulation program that the government had introduced, the controversy over a tax on mining profits. There was also the failure of the government to secure passage of its Carbon Trading Scheme through the Senate. With both the Greens who thought it wasn’t radical enough and benefited the mining companies, along with the Conservative Parties, who became increasingly dominated by climate change opposing the legislation. Incidentally, Malcolm Turnbull who was Opposition leader in 2009, was deposed for supporting the Carbon Trading scheme. His replacement was Tony Abbott, who was The Tea Party in his ideology.
Indeed 2009 was a year for Australia, that everything wasn't the same anymore, the same went for 1990, 1968, 1950 and 1930 as well. Therefore; I can certainly see these years as those when a change in turnings occurred.
Living in the US, 2005 wasn't the start of any crisis. The big changes started to happen in 2008 when the financial collapse happened. Everything felt very fine in 2005.