11-26-2019, 11:48 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-26-2019, 11:50 PM by Eric the Green.)
(11-26-2019, 10:17 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(11-26-2019, 03:46 PM)David Horn Wrote: We live in an ever changing world, and one where change is occurring at a faster pace than ever. Try to align that with the judicial temperament that "originalists" claim to follow. You can't and neither can they. Case in point: the 2nd Amendment was written to assure the right of ordinary citizens to keep arms in support of militias. Never mind that we no longer have them, originalist Scalia found a tortured interpretation that manufactured an individual right without any justification. I assume you agree with Scalia, but that ruling is almost certain to fall at some point -- soon I hope. Another bizarre ruling is Citizens United that gave constitutional rights to corporations. Really? Does anyone think that corporations have speech rights other than that small coterie of RW Justices. There are many other similar issues that Blue America has with the RW SCOTUS of today. Give a few examples of things you see wrong in the opposite direction.Yes. You are right again. We don't have to rely on militia's when we basically have organized State militia's that we simply refer to as our national guard these days. How are we supposed to support them/back them up or defend ourselves in times of need if we don't have access to the type of firearms that the lawless still seem to have plenty of access to for themselves these days? Why is it that the liberals spend so much time and effort trying to convince pass laws that disarm law abiding citizens instead of focusing more on disarming the lawless factions and the folks with serious mental issues these days. Now, the liberal who doesn't think/ know that corporations are able to think, speak, vote or do anything else that a human is capable of doing, is not considering or seriously taking into account that corporations are owned by humans, operated by humans, controlled by humans, financially backed by humans, invested in by humans and supported by humans.
Yes, I've seen the stupid/ thoughtless liberal signs and liberal slogans in some customers homes. I've seen them speak to me like a human would normally speak to a human whom they know and respect without realizing that they were directly speaking with a person who represented an American corporation. Yes. Scalia was smart/wise enough to figure out/realize the human connection with corporations and understand the direct connection between corporations and the humans who own them. For some reason, the liberals don't seem able to figure that out themselves or don't seem willing to recognize our rights to keep/protect them the same way as we would any of our property and defend them the same way we would defend any other valuable thing that we own.
As far as our individual right to have firearms, all you need to do is be able to read a short sentence written in plain English and be able to accept what you read as an important law of the land that has existed since the country was established. I dunno, you may be able to convince people born else where that America would be a safer place if they where to support liberal attempts to disarm us. Oh, I'm not so sure a so called living document that could be changed on a whim for whatever reason would be good long term. I mean, the freedom to remove and reinstate or add for this group and take away from that group as times change and situations change could create feelings of instability, cause social instability and result in chaos and violence.
You and your conservative buddies keep requiring us liberals to legally treat a corporation as a person with personal rights. A corporation is made up of humans who have rights. But those rights belong to them individually. A corporation is not a person and should not have rights conferred upon individuals. A corporation has a charter which requires certain things, and is registered with a state which requires certain things.
If we have a national guard, then that national guard is empowered to protect the nation. It needs no assistance from citizens, and citizens do not need to possess weapons that are made for armies. If you want to help protect the nation with arms, join the National Guard if you can. All semi-automatic weapons should not be allowed in the hands of citizens. This does not violate the constitution, which does not prohibit laws against particular kinds of military weapons being owned and used by civilians. If you want to assemble a militia for your civil war, you red folks would be well-advised to form your own state with its own rules. Otherwise you are sure to lose, and will probably lose anyway as your predecessors did 160 years ago.
Wow, I think of the civil war as being 100 years ago. It is now 160 years ago. Time flies when you're not having fun.