(11-28-2019, 10:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(11-28-2019, 03:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If the quasi socialists of some sort take over the American government, as I expect them to do soon with a sizeable, legal voting majority, I expect that the right-wingers who oppose it already have enough AR-15s to stage a rebellion. But it would not succeed, and they would lose their guns then.
Our government's ruling party is not yet determined by which folks have the most guns. I expect Trump would like it that way, since he wants to take over and become dictator to make America great again. After all, he IS Mussolini.
Your previous statement that you support democracy is contrary to your statement above that your faction should be allowed to overthrow a quasi-socialist government of some sort by force of arms if it is duly elected.
Yep. We have enough AR-15's and other similar weapons, other semi automatic weapons of all kinds (pistols, rifles and shotguns), high powered rifles and ammunition that are exclusively made for killing large wild animals and so forth available to us right now to start out with and this doesn't include the amount of real weapons of war that we be removing from the bodies of blue soldiers and liberal law enforcement officials or the ones so the called traitors will decide to take with them when they decide to join us/ the American cause. Just so you know, you and every other blue fool is going to be in for one hell of a war which will be fought where you live street by street, house by house and that's if your lucky enough to live in a blue area that is viewed as needed for the support of the American war effort.
Oh, we also have enough soldiers in and out of uniform and enough police and a large enough population of American people with all kinds of knowledge and professional skills who will completely support the American war effort and an American system that's far more advanced than the primitive age old system that you seem to prefer that basically imploded before your very own eyes about thirty years ago. Unfortunately, you don't have the benefit of surprise on your side because the other half the country see's it, knows it and understands what the liberal side is still all about these days.
We do not have ideological tests to determine who would be a suitable soldier of police officer. Maybe we can deter extremists from even applying, and we can drum out those who get through. Police departments have internal-affairs divisions to check the police who align themselves with criminals and extremists.
Know well: firing weapons is not a big part of their job. Training, perhaps, but it is safe to say that practically no police officer wants to blow someone away. Cops don't want to get killed themselves and leave behind a grieving widow and orphans, either. Still, pull a gun on a cop and expect to die. Know well, also: police work is becoming a more attractive job than it used to. The pay is good, and the risk of being killed by a criminal has become much lower. Because cops have bullet-proof vests, it is the police officer who is now much more likely to survive an armed confrontation. Take note that fewer offenders are being sentenced to death for, among other reasons, that the people who might get away for a short time before being caught and convicted for capital murder, variety "murder of police officer" are being killed by cops -- or offenders know about this and are getting an even stronger deterrent to any attempt to murder a cop by firearm.
Police work is beginning to attract liberals who think that they can do more good as cops than as glorified (and under-paid) clerks in Corporate America. Note also that more cops are coming from minority communities , and as you can expect they maintain their loyalties, at least politically, to the communities whence they come. Police work is now middle-class work, and middle-class Hispanics and blacks are still rather liberal.
Because politics and conscience often go together, it is not safe to assume that the cops will largely take the side of those who want a fascistic America. The standards of rule of law, separation of powers, and checks and balances may not yet be ages-old, but they are the norm in America. Those are turning against Donald Trump, who shows despotic tendencies that we Blues are the first to find abominable. Those tendencies will either drive him out of office, make his role as President personally intolerable, gut his authority, or (least likely in view of his character) compel him to change his way as President.
To get your way you will need a veritable civil war within both the military and within police forces, something that will not happen. I see it this way: the hearings in the House Intelligence Committee have demonstrated that our President has no loyalty to old decencies that make democracy possible and that prevent the slide into tyranny in practice, if not ideology, to those of fascists and commies. The military, the intelligence services, the diplomatic corps and federal law enforcement have given up on this President. The center-right is turning against this President; even if it is poorly represented in Congress it is a significant enough part of the electorate that your side cannot win the House majority, and cannot hold the Presidency and the current Senate majority without it.
We Blues prefer elections to purges, persecutions, and massacres. So does the center-right. That may now be only 5% of the population, but we Blues are more reliable allies of the center-right than are fascists. We will need their votes, and we may need to make some compromises to win them over.
You have lost that war before it had a chance to start because that war is not going to happen.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.