The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(12-01-2019, 10:16 AM)sbarrera Wrote:

(11-30-2019, 04:11 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-30-2019, 01:02 PM)sbarrera Wrote:

(11-27-2019, 10:45 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(11-27-2019, 12:31 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Certain people, such as Amy Bell, tend to call me a troll for pointing out that rural white America is the source of our lack of progress these 40 years. The conclusion is inescapable that this is indeed the source. Our country is now divided between blue, moderate-to-liberal, mostly-coastal urban areas and the rural flyover country that is loyal to its rural white territories, its religion, race, conservative culture and right-wing politics. If you live in those red territories, you are expected to conform and vote Republican. They are now called red states and counties, where the people vote Republican in margins of 4 or 5 to one. Election returns prove this beyond any doubt at all. They are locked into their views. They are poorly educated, and have no access to information, or they ignore what access they may have. Their fortunes are falling, which makes them unhappy and resentful. In some states this has resulted in opioid drug overdoses and suicides. They blame black people, welfare, taxes and liberals for their plight, even though it's actually the people they vote for who are responsible for their plight, for the most part. They vote for Republicans because they say the "urban elites" (anyone more educated than they are and who live in blue states) don't like them and insult them. They have never heard of learning a lesson and changing behavior. They are unable to do so. They don't realize that the only reason people in blue states and cities may criticize them, is because they vote Republican. If they would change their votes, people like me would have no problem with them at all. Put the horse before the cart, rural white red-state people! It's not who you are, it's how you vote. Full stop! 

The Red Rural Regions are shrinking and their economies are collapsing, for the most part at least.  Residents are now in a fully defensive crouch,, trying to preserve their lifestyles even as they wither away.  What you see here is fear and loathing.  The fear is under stable.  The loathing is part envy and part anger at being done wrong.  The harder we in Blue America push against these ideas, the stronger the adherents cling to them.  Here's a good article from the NY Times that covers a lot of it.

And don't think the GOP doesn't understand this very well.  Bill Barr is out there pitching the idea that secularism on the left is destroying the fabric of society -- essentially an anti-American act against Real America.  Never mind that the facts are on the other side.  Facts don't count these days, as you already know.

That is a good article, David. Here's an excerpt that speaks to the idea that the Blue State is going to ultimately have a more successful 4T than the Red State will.

"The white working class constituency that would seem to be most immune to the appeal of the cultural left — the very constituency that has moved more decisively than any other to the right — is now succumbing to the centrifugal, even anarchic, forces denounced by Barr and other social conservatives, while more liberal constituencies are moving in the opposite, more socially coherent, rule-following, direction."

So, in other words, the American Left is now beginning to move to the right and aligning itself more with the American right these days too. Ah, that's not good news for the left. Hint, Bill Barr doesn't have a problem with the American left. Hint, I don't have a problem with the American Left. THE SO CALLED BLUE STATE IS DOOMED AND WILL BE GOING DOWN.

The article isn't saying that the left is moving to the right, but that the liberal/blue state part of society has more social cohesion, stability and success now. Success as in improving in education and income and being less susceptible to social problems like drug addiction and violence. I'm not sure where you're all-caps prophecy is coming from; it seems like wishful thinking.

Yes it is. You weren't reading it honestly or objectively enough to figure that out. How many of us view are ourselves as white trash these days? How many of us understand the obvious difference between us and the white trash? Do you know the difference wishful thinking and clinging to stereotypes and ones personal beliefs and so on? Dude, wishful thinking requires a miracle or a major meltdown that's unlikely to occur or the complete absence of common sense or the perfect storm to occur at the exact or right time so to speak? Hint. Wishful doesn't use much logic or common sense with its reasoning or its decisions and opinions and tends to only support what it wants to hear or believes and so forth . The old blue liberal fed you a crumb of his limited knowledge of a small slice of rural American culture and you gobbled it up as truthful and applicable to all rural American regions.

The article is saying that the relatively honest, rule following, law abiding white working class voters who are commonly viewed as being most immune to the appeal of the cultural left these days are now being joined by more liberal constituencies who share the same American values and virtues as them while Barr seems to be ignoring the rural white trash constituency that you and every other clown here believes were the group that got him elected so to speak. Well moron, if you were able to listen like me, able to see what I'm able to see and able to read objectively and comprehend what's written by liberals like I did then you would come to the same conclusion that I stated in capital letters.