The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(12-08-2019, 12:43 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-07-2019, 02:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I was thinking though, given the effectiveness of the Lichtman Keys, and one of them is domestic unrest, that if it happens before Nov.2020 that could turn a key against Trump. So if the blacks get riled again by another police shooting or two, or if some antifas manage to arouse a huge uprising, or just enough demonstrations about gun violence and climate change happen to raise the temperature enough, maybe that could be effective after all if it turns a Lichtman Key!

By the way I would still consider you far right, Classic Xer, even though you are not at today's looney extreme. Anyone who so passionately accepts the trickle-down philosophy that has been rejected everywhere else in the world outside Red America, is far right. Anyone opposed to a fair immigration system and fearful of tax money going to welfare, is extreme right. 

It was extreme right in 1964, with Barry Goldwater as the standard bearer. It was known as extreme right then. The problem is that not only is the USA a center-right country to begin with, relative to the rest of the world, it's right wing has gone off the scales and taken over the Republican Party increasingly since then, so that America has regressed instead of progressed since the sixties.

My crystal ball says this is going to change now. But the right-wing has erected formidable barriers to progress that will not easily or quickly be taken down. But taken down, they must be. Many reforms are on the agenda. 

I hope we can get a lot more immigrants in our country, despite the walls Trump and the Republicans are erecting; more latinos who will have lots of kids and vote Democratic for a while. And make you squirm and complain, and cause a few of your red states to leave our country through secession, leaving us with a secure hold on the USA.

Your crystal ball? What if your crystal ball is off because your not reading it correctly or it's biassed? I don't go by crystal balls, especially your crystal ball. You have two choices dude, you can do what the British made the mistake and failed at doing twice or you can do what the Confederates tried and failed at doing by trying to do it a different way this time. Hmm.. A modern day Civil War being fought with rules of decency and also being fought without any rules at all with modern day weaponry and so forth doesn't sound very wise or pleasant to me. Who would eventually win? Well, America would win of course.  We both know that Red America wants a clear separation from Blue America at this point. I hate to bust your bubble dude but you are viewed as foreigners by us these days and the US Constitution already belongs to us so you would have to figure out you own or adopt some foreign countries.

Question??? Would you let go of Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis and Milwaukee in exchange for all your voters/people that currently live there legally/illegally and all the illegals we quickly round up once some Liberal  laws are changed and social stigmas/barriers pertaining to social involvement are lifted. I mean, issues can be addressed quickly without Liberals getting in the way, using nasty terms dissuade public involvement and undermining the authority of law enforcement. I know that would seem racist, fascist, mean, heartless, evil and so forth to Liberals. But to Americans, it would be viewed as the way American Law Enforcement should be able work. You see, Liberal preference should not be able to legally interfere with American Law Enforcement. Dude, I mentioned before, the Liberals are free to fuck up their own world but they aren't free to fuck up ours too. Does your crystal ball see solid lines ( a clear social boundary/separations) eventually drawn like I see unless things change.  According to Dave, the Reds by him don't care about much of anything he has to say, like me and others here  which means its that way across that entire country and I bet its like that in portions of your state too.

My interpretation holds that the domestic violence has already started in the form of domestic terrorism  such as the Pittsburgh and Poway shootings that President Trump mishandled. Likewise, the van from which an a lunatic mailed bombs was a veritable shrine to the President.  I contrast Ronald Reagan, who made undeniably clear his visceral disdain for KKK and neo-Nazi outrages. I need no crystal ball; I rely heavily on the teachings of history.

This is the wrong time in which to draw lines. The Mountain and Deep South may have been voting strongly for Trump -- but southern blacks are completely unreceptive to someone who has nothing to offer. A city like Atlanta is more like Chicago in its politics than it is like most of the rest of Georgia.

Last I knew, American law enforcement is responsible to elected officials and not to some political boss. We do not have a Gestapo, KGB, SAVAK, or Mukhabarat ultimately responsible to the top leader and to nobody else. Police forces have internal affairs bureaus to monitor the police in the event that the cops go bad  as in selling out to the mobsters or becoming criminals themselves (see Antoinette Frank in New Orleans). I have given up on the idea that crime is more a consequence of social conditions than of character. Sociopathy is as common among economic elites as among the destitute, as Enrob cheats and Jeffrey Epstein have shown. 

The world does not divide neatly into a "liberal" world and a "conservative" world. I am a very partisan Democrat, but I am very traditionalist on educational content, child protection, drugs, and law-and-order. I started supporting LGBT rights when I came to the conclusion that those were compatible with family safety and (because some moron misconstrued me as homosexual and threatened to beat me up for such) law and order. All that gays and lesbians had to do to convince me was that they were going to protect any children under their custody from abuse of any kind, at which they succeeded by denouncing the pedophiles of NAMBLA. (I am satisfied that a pair of lesbian mothers would show the ferocity of tigresses if some pervert tried to molest their sons -- that is enough for m). Gays protecting a daughter? Likewise!)

If you wonder... I see tradition as one safe haven for the protection of truth that goes out of vogue for the wrong reasons. I see Donald Trump as a melding of anti-female attitudes of Hugh Hefner with the economic elitism of Ayn Rand. Hefner succeeded at telling men to go ahead and not feel guilty about their sex drive that includes a desire to see bare breasts and buttocks on nubile females. Ayn Rand suggested a moral vision of every-man-for-himself in which the most successful predators would be justified in exploiting the weak and powerless. Hefner's attitudes toward women rubbed off on elite men who got to live their fantasy of casting off a middle-aged spouse who was no longer 'sexy' for a fresh trophy wife who looked somewhat like the Playmate of the Month so that he could get to relive his youth, if with such things as sports cars and overpriced quaffs. As a consequence of casting off a wife approaching middle-age he also stuck his wife with spoiled brats who learned how to treat women -- you guessed it -- in accordance with the Playboy lifestyle, if boys -- and as manipulative wenches if girls. On that I am closer to the late Jerry Falwell, who at least promoted the idea that family cohesion is worth having lasting loyalty between husband and wife. Ayn Rand's ideal looks all too much like the sort of political order on the brink of a Red revolution because the common man has no stake in its continuation. Add to that, the more that I see of Donald Trump the more I recognize the wisdom of our Founding Fathers (except on women's rights, slavery, and the treatment of First Peoples. Nobody is perfect). Donald Trump is everything that the Founding Fathers would have held in contempt.    

I do not accuse you of such -- but I certainly accuse Donald Trump. He represents many of the destructive trends of the Third Turning that lead to calamity.  A Fourth Turning has the unpleasant tendency to show many of us how wrong we can be.