The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(12-11-2019, 06:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-10-2019, 08:04 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(12-10-2019, 11:50 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-09-2019, 09:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: No-one wants a civil war, but if states seceded, which side would fight to keep all the states in the union? My guess is that the blue side would say fine, good riddance, go try it your way, while the red side would fight and invade and try to keep blue seceding states in the union. Unconsciously, the red states know they could not go on without the blue states, who supply the financial support disproportionately to them. The red side is also the one that values American empire, and so a smaller USA does not appeal to them. It is clearly the blue side that values the constitution, whereas the red side only values its cult leader who violates it.

Republicans do not want to address any issues. They only want to stoke resentment and fear with the false slogans of keeping immigrants out, keeping citizens armed with military weapons, making abortion illegal and keeping tax money from going to welfare. Your side does not want to address the real issues of poverty and inequality, discrimination and police shootings, gun violence, sky-high national debt caused by war/defense spending, pollution and climate change, and erosion of democracy and human rights. You guys don't care about these issues. You only care about keeping America white, armed, neo-liberal and Christian. It's a losing battle even if you fight it.

If the Quasi Socialists valued the US Constitution as they often claim, the Quasi Socialists/Liberals/Progressives and their global citizens wouldn't always be talking about changing it in ways that either suit or serve their own interests. I hope this is written well enough for everyone to read and understand clearly because it's the truth.

Valuing the Constitution does not mean that one has a certain view on social or cultural issues. Process and the relations between different branches of government or between state and federal governments, and the validity of decisions of the US Supreme Court are different matters. 

The Constitution does not preclude a socialist economic structure (whether such is wise is a matter for elections to resolve, and such is clear from the absence of a Socialist party reminiscent of Labour in Britain or Social Democrats in Germany. The Constitution was once compatible with chattel slavery. It is a living document in the sense that it can adapt to economic and technological change.   

Quote:I don't know about democracy eroding like you claim is happening   but I do know that America will be voting again in 2020.   I love the way that you and every other Quasi Socialist acts as if they have some sort of  right to  tell me what I care about and what I think/believe and what/who I am and  so forth. Hint, don't ever do that in real life with anyone other than one of  your own because they're about the only ones that  people like  you are free to do so with these days. Republicans don't need to address those issues that you need/want  them to address because those issues aren't viewed  as important or as prevalent by their base these day. Reds are pretty much content with whatever they've  got, their lifestyle and so forth. I'd say the so called American Empire would be  content with keeping what it already has right now. How much of your state is currently American owned vs globally/ foreign owned these days?

Donald Trump stands for socialism for the rich -- crony capitalism. Just like everyone else, you have your concern, and those may be as legitimate as mine. The Constitution grants us no inherent right to choose our economic condition, let alone the "lifestyles" . Many of us have found life an utter disappointment because of character traits not of our choosing. American capitalism seems now to operate on the assumption that it needs severe poverty as a cudgel to get people to make great sacrifices on behalf of an economic elite whose gain, indulgence, and power is the rightful purpose in all 'patriotic' American lives even if such means otherwise-pointless death, as from wars for profit.

Well, all that I can try to tell you is that if you and others continue to vote to give the rich and your liberal representatives more power over you and your decisions and the power to wittle down and take away American choices and American rights.  You may end up powerless and unable to vote to change anything or stop anything and end being rounded up like cattle and exterminated like those in Nazi Germany/Europe and else where beyond our American borders.

But doesn't your reference to "American rights" refer mostly to the "right" to own and use semi-automatic guns? Whose only purpose is not to make you powerful, which they cannot do, but to enable nuts to gun down dozens or hundreds of people they mostly don't even know in public places?