The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(12-20-2019, 08:46 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(12-20-2019, 08:20 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-20-2019, 02:39 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(12-19-2019, 08:11 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-19-2019, 01:53 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: She (Tulsi Gabbard) is politically crazy.

I can't understand how House Republicans can believe that the President is so essential that he be unaccountable.  Maybe our system promotes rigidity in elected officials that only elections can undo. Flexibility and discretion used to be commonplace virtues that mitigated partisanship. Maybe we will end up with saner times in which flexibility and discretion become criteria for electing our pols... after the Crisis is over. 

I would like to believe that Democrats would impeach one of their own if that President had committed "high crimes and misdemeanors" if that President did not seek wise counsel on a matter of moral gravity.  

Remember: every member of the House is up for re-election in November.

Did the Democrats impeach Bill Clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice? Accountable for what? Having the audacity to make a meager suggestion to a foreign leader about reopening an investigation into a corruption scandal involving a Ukrainian company that Joe Biden's son was a board member of at the time. Yes, I know that it's rear view mirror stuff and rear view mirror or hindsight doesn't matter matter much to idiots who are all about today and living in the moment. You know, overly loving/ protecting fathers who have sons/daughters with a history of doing stupid shit and getting themselves in trouble have a tendency of getting themselves involved and doing stupid shit to help them get financially set up for the rest of their life without them in it and help protect and help cover up the involvement and activities of their crooked/wayward son. Gee, you seem more interested in Trump than Biden.

I would guess that Democrats believed that the investigation centering on consensual sex (Bill Clinton)  was itself wrong, so perjury about it was moot. Had it been about such blatant misconduct as taking bribes, then Democrats would have gone along with impeachment. Fornication is apparently not a "high crime or misdemeanor".  

Quote:As far as Tulsi, she's not fake, she's not timid, she's not dumb, she's street smart and she's not lacking in integrity either. Like I said, she's the best one I've seen so far and she better than any of the worthless higher ranking Democratic congress critters that I've seen lately as well. Yes, there is an election next year and it's pretty clear to me that she wants to remain in office.

The consensus among most Democrats is that she is a crank. 

Quote:I don't know how the incumbent Democrat representing our district is going to remain in office considering the promises that they she broke and considering the type of college educated suburban women that she duped to get elected. You see, she wasn't supposed be like them or do what was expected of her by them either. She's done. Oh well, she'll just have to go back to the private sector and make more money like she did before.

The generational cycle itself suggests that the American political scene is becoming more D-friendly as the Millennial Generation is the bulk of new voters supplanting those who die off or go senile.  The older voters dying off (deaths start picking up around age 55) tend to be about 5% more R than D, and the ones replacing them are about 20% more D than R. 

Add to this... Donald Trump is a horrible person.

What, you don't think Democrats are capable of bribery? That's funny! Dude, the Democrats only bribe for a living and remain in office when their caught taking bribes these days. It's obvious. I'm but your beloved Democrats are going off the deep end these days.

Huh? Have you ever heard of Abscam? Some politicians, mostly Democrats, were caught with their hands out. One Senator resigned for it. Then there was William Jefferson, a Democratic Representative from Greater New Orleans who was the only incumbent House Democrat to go down to electoral defeat in what was a great year for Democrats. Obama did not help this man out. 

Let me put the real objective of impeaching Donald Trump into context: impeachment is a warning to subsequent Presidents (or other officials who might be subject to impeachment who do something really bad) that they too can go down. Impeaching Donald Trump is a warning to any Democratic President who so blatantly misbehaves as Trump seems to have done. 

I cannot tell you what President will be next to have a scandal involving criminal misconduct; at this point it is more likely to be a Republican because Nancy Pelosi has likely banked something else as cause for impeachment of Donald Trump (like violations of campaign law that involve mail fraud, tax fraud, wire fraud, bank fraud, or money laundering). Other than that, I hope that the next President in a tough position choose the honorable path over something disgraceful when the disgraceful path is easier and more promising.  Our politicians are humans, and all people are flawed. Some are more principled, cautious, and circumspect. Some are Donald Trump. Elective politics is a theater largely for narcissistic types; one commentator long ago said that without the narcissists, we Americans would have few politicians.

Dude, you're naive. OK, I understand that you're more naive than the average person because partially mentally handicapped and unable to read signs and so forth.  How do you think Obama got the newly elected blue dog Democrats who ran opposed to Obamacare to burn the constituents who elected them and vote in favor of passing Obamacare without bribery or extortion being used? OK, you're naive because you're partially mentally handicapped. Dude, the jig is up, middle America has seen enough and the traditional Democratic voters are ether going to switch political allegiance or vote independent or leave there fate in our hands and stop voting altogether.