The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(01-13-2020, 09:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-13-2020, 04:43 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(01-13-2020, 10:31 AM)David Horn Wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble, but America is not yours to own.  And please, let's agree that dirty tricks are the GOP's stock in trade.  The Dems and other non-party liberal groups are rank amateurs.  BTW, threats,, implied or direct, have negative consequences.  You need to tone it down.  Remarkable as it may be to you, liberals are both patriotic and brave.  If you actually start a civil war, be prepared to lose it.  That's how it played last time.

And I Have been noting the ‘terrorism is not the way to change America’ meme seen first with Oklahoma City, then with September 11th.  Both parties rejected terrorism, and both bases followed suit.  Classic seem to be obsessed with the old Industrial Age love of violence, not ready to switch to the major legislative bill approach.  Violence in the form of a civil war or revolution used to be required for a major cultural change, but has not been necessary in the USA domestically since the New Deal.  The spiral of violence is not escalating.  I am not anticipating violence making a comeback now.  Crisis wars are an age out.

We needed a real old fashioned  revolutionary to get rid of British rule and establish a new form of government that we are still associated with today. I take pride in my personal relationship (American ancestors) with  those who played an active role in that great endeavor and all future endeavors that followed it. Classic understands that violence is still being  used by others and becomes necessary to use at times.        Did the 9/11 attack shock you as much as it shocked me that morning? True, terrorism is not the way to change America. I don't know whether the major legislature approach or Bernie approach will work to change it either at this point.

You get no special status because of your ancestors, and I get no special guilt for cousins. I am quite sure that if I look hard enough (I choose not to -- I wonder why!!!) that I could find relatives in Germany who perpetrated the Holocaust. On the other hand, I notice that although the Founding Fathers were strictly not Jewish, that Jewish values are consistent with America's Founding Fathers except on chattel slavery. (You know what I have said about Nazi and KKK ideology -- that if I had to choose between Judaism and Nazism or the KKK, that I would choose Judaism because Judaism is compatible with my cultural and ethical values). It is telling that the Zionist ideal of Herzl looked more like a Jewish version of the United States of America than of anything else at the time. I so hate Nazism and the KKK that I would rather be black than anti-human. Indeed, if I had to choose between being a homosexual and a violent homophobe I would be gay. (I am not accusing you of racism including antisemitism, and I am not accusing you of hostility toward LGBT people). 

...as for future endeavors that followed the American Revolution I include the emancipation of slaves, the acceptance of one after another establishment of rights of women, children, workers, and minorities, and the defeat of the enslaving Axis Powers. Sorting out the mess that made Donald Trump possible could be as essential as emancipating the slaves, defeating the monstrous Axis, and winning the Cold War. Would that the Germans had rejected Hitler before it was too late, as that would have solved many problems that the world had -- especially preventing the annihilation of much of one of the richest and most distinguished cultures. The Germans failed not so much in 1944 and 1945 as they failed in 1932 and 1933.  Note well: no matter how ludicrous Donald Trump may be as an expression of postmodern rejection of rational thought, he will not be the last in America.