The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(01-14-2020, 06:00 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(01-13-2020, 04:43 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(01-13-2020, 10:31 AM)David Horn Wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble, but America is not yours to own.  And please, let's agree that dirty tricks are the GOP's stock in trade.  The Dems and other non-party liberal groups are rank amateurs.  BTW, threats,, implied or direct, have negative consequences.  You need to tone it down.  Remarkable as it may be to you, liberals are both patriotic and brave.  If you actually start a civil war, be prepared to lose it.  That's how it played last time.

And I Have been noting the ‘terrorism is not the way to change America’ meme seen first with Oklahoma City, then with September 11th.  Both parties rejected terrorism, and both bases followed suit.  Classic seem to be obsessed with the old Industrial Age love of violence, not ready to switch to the major legislative bill approach.  Violence in the form of a civil war or revolution used to be required for a major cultural change, but has not been necessary in the USA domestically since the New Deal.  The spiral of violence is not escalating.  I am not anticipating violence making a comeback now.  Crisis wars are an age out.

I sincerely hope you're right about another round of internal violence.  External violence isn't any better, just not-here.  To be honest, I'm less sanguine than you are in general.  I'm not sold on violence either, but I do think it's possible enough that we need to highly vigilant.

I agree. I hope that the information age and the new age and greenpeace trends in general will reduce the danger of violence in our 4T. I think however the spiral of violence is growing somewhat in the mass shootings of Mexicans, Jews, gays, blacks and so on by disturbed individuals and by police, by the growing militancy of right wing groups who oppose gun control and uphold racist, neo-liberal beliefs and favor civil war, as well as growing resistance such as black lives matter and antifa. This spiral has not brought us to the brink of a violent civil war as yet, but we are already in a cold civil war much like that of the early 1850s, and have been for some time now. And we still have as many as 5 years before we reach a period equivalent to 1860-61. 

The record of past 4Ts, even before the industrial age, is very poor in respect to the outbreak of major wars. So vigilance is a great approach. How do we avoid violence, and yet assure that the blue progressive side of the cold civil war wins, so that our country can progress and develop further instead of descending further into a banana-republican oligarchy with a failing climate? That's the issue we face. We would like to avoid gruesome mass violence, but we need also to win, and there's no substitute for victory now. Kumbaya and let's just all get along is not an option anymore.