The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(01-14-2020, 06:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-14-2020, 03:21 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-14-2020, 06:07 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(01-14-2020, 01:48 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I had a number of revolutionary war soldiers in my ancestry, and at least one civil war soldier. I am related distantly to Abe Lincoln. I don't know of any political leaders of those years in my ancestry. Most of my lines came to America from Britain in the 17th century; some German lines in the 1850s. Some French and Dutch earlier. None more recent. So I am an "American."

For a while I was into genealogy.  Our ancestors include veterans of the Revolution, the War of 1812, the Civil War,  WW I, and WW2.  We had a major line that settled in Hingham MA way back in the 1600s that is the best documented and populated.  We are are all over the book History of Hingham.  (One married couple had only one pair of grandparents between them.  They sure had a smaller taboo against intermarrying back then.). I can match your distant kinship to Lincoln, and raise you four people who sailed on the Mayflower.  (My nephew lives near Mordici Lincoln Street, a Lincoln ancestor who stayed in Scituate MA for a time.)  Other French, Norwegian, and similar lines tend to end as they cross the Atlantic, truncating them.  Each nationality seemed to stick among their own kind until 1900 or so, then seemed to intermarry among Europeans quite a bit, creating all those lines.

Anyway, I haven't identified as "American," but as purebred mongrel.  Same thing?

See the Butlers of Brockton if you are really curious.

It just goes to show that those who question the authority of the Republicans are "Americans." My ancestors included Mayflower folks too. Mordecai Lincoln is my direct ancestor. No WWI or WWII soldiers, though; my father was a pacifist CO in the big one, and a co-founder of the first listener-supported radio station in the nation, KPFA (Pacifica Foundation).

Dude, I've been questioning your authority, your positions, your views, your reasoning, your overall knowledge, your ideology, your judgement, your core values/ inner  morality, your political motives  and so forth. So, where is the liberal  pacifist while cops are being sent into harms way to collect so called illegal firearms. Let me guess, the pacifist is here beating on his chest while the non pacifist is here showing you real death and violence that the pacifist played a role in creating because their emotions fogged their judgement. I assume you must have been sleeping or dreaming when the Republican base rejected their authority and opted to do what liberal Americans do by going  outside the box so to speak. Is America cult like? Hint...Liberal America reminds me of a cult like culture. BTW, it also reminds me of an aristocratic culture that few regular people  have very much sway with today as well. So, what kind of Americans are you guys these days?

Of course you question my "authority," except that I am not in authority!

We will back the police if they enforce laws to collect illegal firearms from those judged unable to keep them safely. Such laws have been passed in CA and many states, and are being considered by congress. It could get violent on some occasions. I don't figure that a law banning semi-automatics that I favor would include cops confiscating them from those judged competent to keep them; that would be a bridge too far for current political powers to adopt, although Beto O'Rourke advocated some voluntary version of this after the horrible mass shooting in his town. 

We are the real Americans, because we are in the progressive tradition I outlined. You guys are just as you described; you rejected the protests of Jane Fonda and such and used that as your emotional excuse to divide yourselves off from progressives and maintain your "American" cult. So it is, and we can't change it now. You guys are stuck with your right-wing cults.

We can only hope to persuade just enough real Americans to support progressive policies and oppose the mindless obstruction by Trump, McConnell and the Republican banana-republican oligarchs who want to despoil the planet and keep us poor in order to enrich themselves.