The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(01-14-2020, 04:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You know what I don't like about you Bob, you accuse me of demonizing and then preach to me about the value of not demonizing and then you ignore it as it pertains to yourself and start demonizing us again. Bob, I think its in your nature to do that these days. Unfortunately, it's in my nature to either take you to task and teach you a lesson about doing it real life or basically move towards driving nails in your coffin and filling in the grave that yo have already dug for yourself. It's up to you dude. My sentimental or essential attachment to you is none at this point. Right now, it's just a matter of Democrats doing it or us doing it and that largely depends on what the Democrats do during the upcoming election.

There are a few groups I will reject with prejudice.  I am not alone.  Hillary called them deplorable.  Let’s throw up racists, the KKK, the Nazi as groups that deserve demonizing.  There is a slightly milder group just into tribal thinking, racists who are all in favor of white male Protestants having an advantage.  Related, there are the Evangelicals, who attempt to use the government to enforce their religious values.

You cannot argue rationally against prejudice?  You either believe in your heart that all People are created equal or not?

These are not really welcome even if the Democrats are building a big tent.  The whole idea is to build a big coalition, but these groups would not be welcome for obvious reasons.  Demonize?  Do I have to Demonize racists?  Do they not demonize themselves?

And yet, the Southern Strategy is real, its echoes live on today, and the deplorables remain a significant part of the conservative group.

And some people praise all things conservative and decline to renounce racists and tribal thinkers.  If you could stand up and renounce a few groups I could feel better about your advocating for the conservatives.  I mean in the USA we are into retail racism, not wholesale like the fascists and communists.  We lynch.  We hang just enough to shape the culture and induce terror.  We do not build gas chambers or ship to Siberia to make loving space for other racial groups, or we at least haven’t since we exported Native Americans to ever less desirable lands back in the 1800s.

Are there any liberal deplorables you would care to identify?  Are there any groups you would demonize other than liberals in general?  Would you care to welcome the deplorable groups I have mentioned into your big tent?

Me, I would welcome many conservatives into my big tent.  It is natural and proper for many to advocate small government, less taxes, and not changing the rural independent culture into the urban cooperative one.  This difference does not deserve demonization.  This is why I thought entering a conservative era in Nixon’s time was natural and cyclical.  This is why I am an advocate for the 2nd Amendment.  These are people I would respect as fair opponents.

Of course, whether they would cross over in another question.  They would rather stand with the deplorable groups that compromise at this point.

But, yes, deplorables exist definitely on the conservative side.  I would like to hear you nominate similar groups on the progressive side.  The people who legislate from the bench and practice cultural change by force before reaching a clear supermajority?  The gun policy crowd are included, but this is one place where I have argued with the reds.  I wouldn’t demonize them quite, but I have spoken against them often enough.  The elites on both side, who tend to monopolize wealth?  I would rather speak and reason against them, but would quite understand demising them.  Those that keep the jobs and other benefits of the progressive era and let younger generations feel the poverty of the more recent conservative policies?  I would vote and speak against these policies, but what more can I do if too many conservatives are greedy?  Others?

You could use logic and passion to work against particular groups.  Alternatively, you could demonize, lie and call groups names.  I would rather the first, but there are some groups that seem to deserve the second.  Some people prefer clear logical arguments.  Others cannot do clear and logical, and lie and call people names instead.  That is a large part of why you cannot be respected.