(01-15-2020, 04:19 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(01-15-2020, 09:58 AM)David Horn Wrote:If antifa switched from sticks and bottles and whatever else to deadlier weapons, what do you have on your side that we have a right to use our firearms to defend ourselves with these days or even shoot them with these days. Me, the rebel flag is nothing more than a symbol associated with southern pride/ southern culture that your liberal goons and morons don't have the right to destroy. Hint...I'm a northerner, if you can do that, what's next? You may want to start packing your bags because we are on to them and the rhetoric is going to start getting nasty. This is warning to a liberal that hasn't come to gripes with the fact that his days are over. Karma is a bitch.(01-13-2020, 06:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(01-13-2020, 10:31 AM)David Horn Wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble, but America is not yours to own. And please, let's agree that dirty tricks are the GOP's stock in trade. The Dems and other non-party liberal groups are rank amateurs. BTW, threats,, implied or direct, have negative consequences. You need to tone it down. Remarkable as it may be to you, liberals are both patriotic and brave. If you actually start a civil war, be prepared to lose it. That's how it played last time.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but America is not yours to have or give away. Just so you understand where I'm coming from, my American ancestors directly participated in the American Revolutionary war against the British and the American Civil War against the Confederacy and the American war against the Axis Powers during World War II. Yes, I agree with you, the American side won the last time and the times before it as well. I expect that to continue/prevail against the quasi socialists of our time as well. So, how much of the country are you able to lose and still be able survive and adequately maintain liberal government with all its liberal policies and programs these days. Your state could on the verge of splitting and seeing its tax revenues significantly reduced by a bunch of self righteous fools who have this crazy notion in their heads that have the same power as the government of New Zealand or Australia.
As far as I know, there are no warmongers itching for blood and soil on my side of this tiff. Antifa is a pale antithesis of the white power types, and I actually see them around in my own community. Rebel flags are both common and intended to be provocative. And no one on my side is trotting around carrying assault rifles everywhere. Can you say the same for your side? And btw, why the need to go about armed to the teeth? Is this nascent cowardice or simply old-fashioned paranoia?
What if Antifa...?
Face it: everybody is against fascism, and even the fascists take care to avoid using the word fascist to describe themselves. Violence even at the level of throwing projectiles is not free speech, let alone bombing or shooting.
As for the flag of the defense of slavery... blacks have a right to see it in the same light as Jews see a Nazi swastika or anti-communists see a hammer-and sickle device. I accept the use of the Confederate flag in re-enactments and at memorials for the Confederate dead. Other than that it is a disgrace as an assertion of contempt for freedom. Do you want to honor Southern pride? Then here is a legitimate hero, a true Southerner:
Not coincidentally this is his 91st birthday, and he is the antithesis of bomb-throwing radicals of either side of the ethnic struggle. Remember well: you are not truly free if others are not free.
I know, I know... some people have tried to associate Confederate symbols with "Heritage, not hate"... but out-and-out fascists such as the KKK have used the Confederate flag as a meme for disenfranchising, suppressing, and oppressing black people. As a white gentile I cannot say that I can know what a Confederate flag means to blacks any more than what a Nazi flag means to Jews. I am an anti-Communist, and the only valid use for the hammer-and-sickle flag is for honoring the Soviet dead of the Great Patriotic War and for depicting the Soviet era for what it is. I am appalled that the Russian Federation uses the music of the Hymn of the Soviet Union for its anthem. If one is of certain nationalities, especially Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, and Ukrainians, then anything connected to the old Soviet system must be appalling. In the event of a full-blown American dictatorship I would latch Nazi, Soviet, and Confederate symbols to such a regime.
Another place in which I would put the Confederate flag is among flags of disgrace, including the Nazi flag, the Soviet flag, the flag of the Italian Social Republic (Mussolini's puppet state), perversions of national flags to include Communist symbols, and Ba'athist flags of Iraq and Syria.
...We liberals do not see our days at an end. We are the default against tyranny of any kind, including fascism and communism. We are also a default against conservatism that abandons its respect for the rule of law, division of powers, free elections, and honest communications. We liberals find plentiful wrong in a President who even resorts to the Orwellian practice of Newspeak -- the transformation of words into lies, and that is even more objectionable than the plutocratic agenda of this President (that agenda having existed before him).
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.