01-15-2020, 08:06 PM
(01-15-2020, 06:12 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: What if Antifa...?What's next, are you guys going to go along with banning it from history books and then go along with their reasons for removing ours too? You belong with your dense German cousins and may as well be a Nazy. Right now, I don't even have on the American left doesn't just stand for that crap either. Grow a pair and use your brain if you prefer to remain American. I hear a bunch of negative stuff about clueless/sensitive/spoiled rotten millienials which would be offensive to us if we knew it's our kids that everyone is talking about these days. Are you at all familiar with the real differences between liberals and conservatives? WTF is up with so called liberals and their emotional qualms with symbols.
Face it: everybody is against fascism, and even the fascists take care to avoid using the word fascist to describe themselves. Violence even at the level of throwing projectiles is not free speech, let alone bombing or shooting.
As for the flag of the defense of slavery... blacks have a right to see it in the same light as Jews see a Nazi swastika or anti-communists see a hammer-and sickle device. I accept the use of the Confederate flag in re-enactments and at memorials for the Confederate dead. Other than that it is a disgrace as an assertion of contempt for freedom. Do you want to honor Southern pride? Then here is a legitimate hero, a true Southerner:
Not coincidentally this is his 91st birthday, and he is the antithesis of bomb-throwing radicals of either side of the ethnic struggle. Remember well: you are not truly free if others are not free.
I know, I know... some people have tried to associate Confederate symbols with "Heritage, not hate"... but out-and-out fascists such as the KKK have used the Confederate flag as a meme for disenfranchising, suppressing, and oppressing black people. As a white gentile I cannot say that I can know what a Confederate flag means to blacks any more than what a Nazi flag means to Jews. I am an anti-Communist, and the only valid use for the hammer-and-sickle flag is for honoring the Soviet dead of the Great Patriotic War and for depicting the Soviet era for what it is. I am appalled that the Russian Federation uses the music of the Hymn of the Soviet Union for its anthem. If one is of certain nationalities, especially Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, and Ukrainians, then anything connected to the old Soviet system must be appalling. In the event of a full-blown American dictatorship I would latch Nazi, Soviet, and Confederate symbols to such a regime.
Another place in which I would put the Confederate flag is among flags of disgrace, including the Nazi flag, the Soviet flag, the flag of the Italian Social Republic (Mussolini's puppet state), perversions of national flags to include Communist symbols, and Ba'athist flags of Iraq and Syria.
...We liberals do not see our days at an end. We are the default against tyranny of any kind, including fascism and communism. We are also a default against conservatism that abandons its respect for the rule of law, division of powers, free elections, and honest communications. We liberals find plentiful wrong in a President who even resorts to the Orwellian practice of Newspeak -- the transformation of words into lies, and that is even more objectionable than the plutocratic agenda of this President (that agenda having existed before him).