The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(01-18-2020, 11:42 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The KKK and Neo Nazi's aren't my cup of tea either. I don't think there is a more powerful form/sign of renouncement than execution. I view both as having their own unique identities and agenda's which separate them from America these days. So, I would not invite either of them into the American tent so to speak.

Good Enough.  Of course, your rejection of the KKK & Neo Nazi goes about as far as my rejection of the legislators from the bench.  Any other so called liberals around here want to reject changing cultures when they are not ready and willing or legislation from the bench as a means of changing the constitution when there is no super majority advocating an amendment?

Classic-Xer Wrote:Damned if you do, damned if you don't can be a tough position for anyone to be in these days. So, how many Democratic Senators are in the same position these days? So, what happens if Biden and his kid appear to be guilty of being directly involved with corruption? Yes, it will be interesting to see which way they decide to go this time.

The conservatives do cling to their conspiracy theories.  

I don't care to much for the Establishment Democrat Joe Biden.  If they do find something wrong that his son Hunter did other than use his name to collect a job and money, I would not mind seeing Biden's chances diminished.  Even then, many of Trump's kin wound up with jobs in the Trump administration.  I wouldn't mind seeing a law against children of politicians cashing in on their family name, so long as there is no partisanship shown in writing the law.  Is it proper to make being a relative a crime?  If the conservatives really objected, they would propose such a law?  Can you convict Hunter Biden retroactively with such a law without hitting the Trump relatives?  Would you have tried to block RFK from being in JFK's cabinet?

But the Republicans have been trying to dig deep for years and have not come up with anything but daydreams and manufactured stuff to support it.  If the Ukrainians had the slightest thought that there was anything to the conspiracy theory, I suspect they wouldn't have been so firm in rejecting planting of the rumor.  By now, the conspiracy theory has almost no value except to try to distract from Trumps from their more obvious guilt.  The campaign finance laws and those against withholding the funds were on the books when the deeds were done.

Personally, I think Gulianni's attempts to make energy deals while he was in Ukraine was part of the 'drug deal'.  It was one way to make money change hands.  Can't prove it though.

It is curious that the 'drug deal' was for an announcement of an investigation into the Bidens, not for an actual investigation with hints passed on as to what they might expect to find. If there were anything real to find, if Trump had anything or believed there was corruption to find, however vague, on the Bidens, it should have shown up in the impeachment investigation that followed. Nothing.

Also, the Ukrainian president was an anti corruption figure. He was the last person who would go along with anything as corrupt as what Trump was asking. He dragged his feet at a request that would cost him nothing, resulting finally in much trouble for Trump. Obviously, Trump had not done his homework, had not correctly figured out how the Ukrainian administration would respond to a corrupt request. The idea of honesty was just incomprehensible to Trump. If anyone deserves a medal for doing the right thing in spite of obvious pressure to do otherwise, it is the Ukrainian president.