The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(01-19-2020, 03:49 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: The conservatives do cling to their conspiracy theories.  

I don't care to much for the Establishment Democrat Joe Biden.  If they do find something wrong that his son Hunter did other than use his name to collect a job and money, I would not mind seeing Biden's chances diminished.  Even then, many of Trump's kin wound up with jobs in the Trump administration.  I wouldn't mind seeing a law against children of politicians cashing in on their family name, so long as there is no partisanship shown in writing the law.  Is it proper to make being a relative a crime?  If the conservatives really objected, they would propose such a law?  Can you convict Hunter Biden retroactively with such a law without hitting the Trump relatives?  Would you have tried to block RFK from being in JFK's cabinet?

But the Republicans have been trying to dig deep for years and have not come up with anything but daydreams and manufactured stuff to support it.  If the Ukrainians had the slightest thought that there was anything to the conspiracy theory, I suspect they wouldn't have been so firm in rejecting planting of the rumor.  By now, the conspiracy theory has almost no value except to try to distract from Trumps from their more obvious guilt.  The campaign finance laws and those against withholding the funds were on the books when the deeds were done.

Personally, I think Gulianni's attempts to make energy deals while he was in Ukraine was part of the 'drug deal'.  It was one way to make money change hands.  Can't prove it though.

It is curious that the  'drug deal' was for an announcement of an investigation into the Bidens, not for an actual investigation with hints passed on as to what they might expect to find.  If there were anything real to find, if Trump had anything or believed there was corruption to find, however vague, on the Bidens, it should have shown up in the impeachment investigation that followed.  Nothing.  

Also, the Ukrainian president was an anti corruption figure.  He was the last person who would go along with anything as corrupt as what Trump was asking.  He dragged his feet at a request that would cost him nothing, resulting finally in much trouble for Trump.  Obviously, Trump had not done his homework, had not correctly figured out how the Ukrainian administration would respond to a corrupt request.  The idea of honesty was just incomprehensible to Trump.  If anyone deserves a medal for doing the right thing in spite of obvious pressure to do otherwise, it is the Ukrainian president.

Did you see any sign of his defense during the House impeachment, did you see any sign of Republican involvement in the proceedings either or did you only see liberal prosecution/persecution of him and personal disagreements relating to him and his foreign policy pertaining to Ukraine? Trump didn't deny what was said to the President of Ukraine and he made it known to everyone that there seems to be an obvious double standard in place to protect so called liberals that you and many others here are now directly associated with these days.


Me, conspiracy theory ain't my cup of tea either. I never bought into any of your conspiracy theories relating to Bush II or the invasion of Iraq back in the day, I didn't buy into the conspiracy relating to Trumps direct involvement with Russian collusion or buy into the liberal speculation/ hype relating to Mueller's investigation and so forth. To be fair, I didn't buy into the conspiracy that Obama was born else where and he wasn't an American born citizen either.  Also, I haven't bought into the liberal notion of themselves and their new wave of minority voters eventually politically over powering Americans and taking over and controlling everything either. Are you sure that you and other so called liberals aren't as into using/ advancing conspiracy theories or as susceptible to believing conspiracy theories as other groups of social conservatives are these days. BTW, the Ukrainian President was viewed as weak on corruption or corrupt by those who supported/ voted for the current President of Ukraine these days.