The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(01-20-2020, 07:52 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-20-2020, 03:25 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(01-20-2020, 01:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-19-2020, 11:51 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Considering that Ukraine has had problems with both image and reality since the country seceded from the Soviet Union, such might be shocking to someone who expects corrupt dealings as a norm. This is a profile in courage by the President of Ukraine, who is in perhaps the worst geopolitical situation that a country of such population could be in. Zelensky knows exactly what Trump, who would sell out any ally to Putin, could do.

Why did Obama play it safe and display a willingness to remain idle and sell out a potential ally as Putin sought to reclaim a portion of what was previously known as a crucial region associated with the old Russian Empire that existed prior to it's communist overthrow during the first world war. You do realize that Putin is more or less a de facto version of the Russian Czar who is now in charge  of modern day Russia.

Fait accompli. Putin got what he wanted, so far piecemeal, and nobody could stop him or(more importantly) reverse his achievement. It is how the Soviet Union annexed the Baltic republics in 1940 -- press for treaties of mutual aid, move some troops about, blackmail the politicians while making resistance possible, and create loud groups of supporters who seek to join the Soviet Union as a consequence of a rigged election. See also how Hitler annexed Austria and dismembered Czechoslovakia.

So, you are familiar with history and familiar with the deals and moves that were made by the fascist and communist states prior to World War II. So, where was liberal America, what was liberal America doing and still believing in/ clinging to while that stuff was happening/going on within the old world at the time prior to America becoming directly involved in World War II.

Most Americans may have hated and dreaded war, but as time passed one after another went from seeing the Hitler gang going from simply odious to menacing changed American attitudes. Senator Arthur Vandenburg may be a prime example; he went from being an isolationist to a hawk at some point. Consider his ethnic origin (Dutch) and that Michigan has a large Polish-American population...  both are good cause to hate Hitler. Figure that someone like Governor Thomas E. Dewey, a conservative Republican from New York, may have gone from isolationism to seeing nothing wrong with the Hitler gang that "Old Sparky"  couldn't solve as it did with Jewish-American gangsters in Murder, Incorporated. Figure that a large Jewish population in New York State could impress much the same upon Gentiles like Dewey. Contrary to the myth of antisemites that Jews tolerate their own rogues, observant and "cultural" Jews have no willingness to excuse Jewish rogues such as Julius ("Nicky") Arnstein, Arnold Rothstein, or Lepke Buchalter who are held up as models of what not to be as Jews. That is little different from the attitudes that German-Americans had about the most infamous German-Americans of the 1930's -- John Dillinger and (kidnapper and murderer of the Lindbergh baby) Bruno Hauptman. 

By December 1941 most Americans had cause to hate Hitler, whose Nazi Party was already the worst criminal syndicate in inhuman history. On December 10, 1941 Adolf Hitler had his Reichstag stooges vote to approve a declaration of war against the United States. From that point on all but a few Americans saw only one solution to Nazi gangsterism.