The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Classic-Xer]

(01-25-2020, 09:04 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(01-25-2020, 06:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Wow, you come at me with an argument loaded with a plethora of pseudo intellectual rambles and rants when it basically boils down to this portion of it that directly matters most to you. I don't know Bob, you tell me how we are supposed fulfill our obligation to people like you with millions  of other poor people flowing in from other countries and their kids voting to get what you and others here are legally entitled to receive. Where are the Democrats who think and view things more like me. Now, I'm not a Republican but I could be a Tea Party that splits the Democratic party in half and fills the obvious void that missing in the Democratic party right now that most everyone wants to show up and tilt the scale heavily in favor of America these days. In short, I'm not in your position (physical condition) Bob. I'm physically fit and emotionally fit and quite capable of holding my own and defeating groups of liberals. I'd defeat Nancy (the closest person on the liberal side to becoming President these days) if Pelosi had the guts to face me. Do you think I would respect Nancy's gender and Nancy's position of authority and her title, or do you think I would ignore them all together and take her on one on one, tit for tat, exchange vs exchange, no holds bared if she goes there and it becomes necessary like I would with any other person on the liberal side.

As far as demonizing, if you do it ( which you still do) you should expect to see it coming back at you   in return regardless whether you believe ( are able to take ownership and admit it or stop it) you're   guilty of it    or not. Honestly, I don't care what you believe about yourself or me, it's what I see about you and know about myself that counts. I'm not a racist but I know that there is a difference good and bad black people, brown people, white people, yellow people and red people these days and the bad are  no longer restricted to the poor people. The fact is, I've met a helluva lot more people and been to a helluva lot more areas  than you or anyone else on the liberal side has been because none of you do what I do for a living or do what I enjoy doing with my free time. I'm related to a rural area that I've been visiting since I was a little kid.

If you try to talk policy, you are an intellectual?  I would rather do that than people person type demonizing, so I’m criticized for that?  As I said once before, it takes all types, but looking for real policy from you is difficult.  You stay locked to your own and shy away about actually proposing anything.  

You did spend two sentences on immigration.  I spent more, so I don’t think your two lines are worthy of a response.  You are empty.  Just, empty.

There was a lot more threat of violence.  I have not been much impressed by the people who talk the talk loudly since I studied karate and kung fu.  I figured I knew enough to take care of those who set themselves against unknown opponents and stopped worrying about it.  Never came close to using it in earnest except against one dog.  He took one look at how I had shifted from a casual walk to an instant crane stance, hands out of reach, obviously ready to kick.  He turned around real fast.  By the time he got in range of the kick, I knew I wouldn’t have to.  The whole incident took as long as the dog could switch from running all out one way, to running all out the other.  Odd, I had oft sparred in cat stance, but in hindsight crane was perfect for this particular opponent.

I’ve been watching the spiral of violence and think you a way off outlier.  Most reject violence as a way of changing America.  You are just tone deaf, un American.  I sort of expect you to stay that way.

In my working career I spent some time in Colorado near Pike’s Peak, Montana downstream of where the Missouri goes through the mountains, California twice, once near the blimp hangers, and another time near the launch pads, Maryland near Washington DC, Arizona next to Tombstone, Pennsylvania by Valley Forge and Georgia where I tried dogfighting aircraft.  (Gee.  Look at that tiny little parachute tower.)  I have been around likely more than you think.  It is true that I have mostly been on military bases and high tech areas.  I have not spent a lot of time abroad among rural places or people on their home dirt.  I suspect living in cranberry country back in Massachusetts was the best experience of that.  Two of my homes were/are near bogs.  Still, I have been around.

My one thought is that your demonizing would be more effective if you don’t remain as willfully ignorant.  Well, I suppose that is my more intellectual approach speaking.

Still wondering.  If you take the racism, violence and tribal thinking out of conservative policy, what is left?

We aren't the policy makers. So, what is the point of us wasting time doing that here? We are the policy supporters or objectors/voters related to changing, abolishing, reforming and legal enforcement/continuation.  As far as your question, it's a dumb question to ask a conservative. If you you take the fear of racism out of so called liberal policy, what's left? If you take the fear of violence out of liberal policy, what's left? if you take the fear of tribal thinking out of liberal policy, what's left? One other thing, if you've been all over the country then you should know us much better than you seem to know us. I've got you pegged pretty good.

I got into a disagreement with a nasty dog once. The dog leaped at me with his jaw open and ended up wallowing around on the ground a few feet away acting like he didn't know what hit him. It wasn't a perfectly timed Judo move but it was pretty damn close. The leg move didn't stop him but the counter move planted a vicious half breed German shepherd in la la world. He got up and tucked his tail between his legs and ran off never to be seen again. I love dogs but I don't care much for vicious dogs. I got into another with an off duty police dog that could have got ugly or even deadly while working at a cop's house but that was my fault. I forgot what the cop told us about how we had to carry our tools if the dog was outside in the backyard. It was a really nice dog otherwise.