Let's Tell-all about Tulsi

[Eric the Green]

(02-05-2020, 10:35 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-05-2020, 09:01 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-31-2020, 02:42 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(01-31-2020, 01:33 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-31-2020, 01:05 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: What a bunch of crazy rot, Classic.

Ok. You've seen what happened in Egypt and you've seem what happened in Libya, do we need to see what happens in Syria  for people like  you to learn what not to do again.

Yeah, and let's not forget Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and I think now Nigeria of all places as other Loser propositions
we've staggered into drunk on hubris.  Of course doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

Each situation is different. In any case, anyone should be able to see that Classic Xer is not in possession of any facts regarding Syria. Regardless of what you think should be done or not done about Syria, it should be obvious that Classic Xer is not aware of the facts. Hospitals and schools in northwestern Syria do not have IS or Baathists setting up shop there. It is simply a case of Putin bombing innocent children while the world stands by.

Leaving Syria alone now or not is NOT a decision to make for the USA. We have no alternative now but to leave it alone now. We left the field of the proxy war, and let Putin and Assad win. So talking about whether we should leave Syria alone now or not, is ridiculously irrelevant.

The people rose up in Egypt and Libya and threw out their dictator, but revolutions often do not work, and tyranny or anarchy often results. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. That says NOTHING about US policy. THE PEOPLE made the decision to revolt; the US did not impose revolt upon them, as the US did in Iraq, and in Nam. And I protested those latter interventions by the US vigorously, so there is no meaning to Classic's phrase "people like you." On the other hand, Classic Xer supports the folks who denounced the protesters to those interventions as "un-American."

Syria went the way I expected, a huge mess. Now for Iraq, their parliament voted for the US to leave the country. This is the parliament the US I think wanted. It's democratically elected which means the US needs to follow through in following the wishes of it's own creation.

As of now, I'm fully content to let Europe suffer from this. They have the problems from refugees from here and they, like the poodles they are, joined Obama's bombing campaign. So, I say unto the EU, the time form karma is now. From now on, Libya looms into y'alls future. Choose badly, and a flood tide of refugees will follow and that will shake politics to the ground as it's already doing.

And... In the wider scene, it's the dawning of the age of Ragnarök. It's like that virus comet on the eastern horizon. This and other events will smash globalism. The times ahead require resiliency, redundancy, and short supply chains. Globalism is antithetical to all and thus its demise.  

And it's now Bernie or bust. He's not perfect, but slow Joe and empty suite Buttelzub ain't for me.

I agree on Bernie, but I don't think Slow Joe and Empty Suit Buttlezub will be a bust. If one of them is nominated, I will vote for him. Except maybe for Tulsi (and maybe not even for her), I will vote blue no matter who rather than give any comfort or quarter with my vote to Drumpface Shithead, and use it as a PROTEST against him. Vote against Frumpty Dumpty or Bust!

Plaudits to Pelosi for tearing up the tissue of lies that was his state of the union speech.

As usual, on globalism, and on some other issues, you go for your red and black catch-all extremism and cut and dried exaggeration. Globalism is basically a good thing. We are all humans on one planet, and many issues must be dealt with globally, whether it's viruses, climate change, or genocide. The virus does the opposite of smash globalism; it requires it. 

But yes, globalism can be a bad thing too. Trade policies and economic rulership by global corporations that run over the little guys and the community and allow big companies to hire cheap labor abroad, ignore safety regulations, fire their people in the USA and send their factories overseas and all. Eventually we can hope that backward countries will catch up and a level playing field may evolve, but most of the time it's better to have a reasonable system of locks for trade that levels things out rather than sacrifices our own industry, and that of other developed nations.

A truly global system of governance, balanced with full rights and powers for states and countries, a true global federalism, would help keep bad monsters like Assad or the IS from screwing up the world. The UN should be empowered to be that guardian. But right now, such world cooperation is rare, and we still have bigger monsters like Putin that back up the smaller ones. So unilateral action (or a "coalition of the willing") by the USA to defend its varied interests or impose its ambitions, values and priorities on other peoples on its own decision is bound to fail, and it's a very bad idea. The USA has indeed demonstrated hubris and self-righteousness, on a cyclic basis, as it has come to consider itself the exceptional nation whose duty is to police and liberate the world and to keep it safe for corporate greed. Bernie would be a good president to rein in these delusions, and build our foreign policy on diplomacy first, imperialism never, and using the military legally and only as a last resort. Let's hope that an imperialist like Dubya Bush never gets to reside in the White House again.