Has the regeneracy arrived?

[Eric the Green]

(02-15-2020, 04:06 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-15-2020, 01:05 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: It's also a question of whether, if Bernie isn't nominated and many of his supporters bolt in 2020, will we survive as a country? 4 more years of Trump will be a major obstacle to this. The Republican Party is the one that needs to die. Like, yesterday.

If Bernie IS nominated, and the moderates bolt as a result, that could also endanger the Republic. The Dems need to be united against a transcendent evil this time. The question is whether they will be. If the country dies, I'm not sure it matters which party dies.

Sanders is the regeneracy candidate. If the Dems don't choose him, they may lose anyway, because the other candidates aren't up to the job of beating Trump, let alone setting a new course for the country. Bernie can do both, although "can" does not equal "will."

-- if Bernie wins the nomination those selfidentifying as Dems will vote 4 him. They're Vote Blue No Matter Who. It's the Berniecrats- ppl who r only voting Dem bcuz of Bernie- who will bolt.. They were suckerpunched in 2016- they expected the Dems 2 run honest primaries & not cheat-

Just as it's not wise to believe Tulsi's lies, it not wise to believe in this conspiracy theory crap either. Whatever bit of cheating there was made no difference in who was nominated in 2016. Now, if the superdelegates end up choosing someone besides Bernie after Bernie won a strong plurality of delegates, then that's when the Berniecrats might bolt.

Quote: so their response was mixed: some voted Green, others actually voted 4 the Donald, but most stayed home since they no longer had a dog in that fight.

Such Berniecrats were less than 20% of the total of Bernie primary voters, which were a small fraction of the general election vote.

Quote: This time around the Berniecrats r wary. They see Bloomberg trying 2 buy the election. They see Buttcheat trying to steal it with technology. They're with their guy all the way 2 the Convention but they're also considering plan Bs. I know. I belong 2 several Bernie groups & a few Tulsi groups. Some of these ppl say they will write their candidate in, but many of them r eyeballing the Greens as a fallback. As l said b4, if they vote Green as a block & get their own progressive party. That could be the beginning if the end 4 the Dems if the new progressive party starts attracting progressive Dems 2 it. All that will be left would be blue dogs
Otoh, the Dems could survive as the Blue Dog party bcuz the repugs r going off the rails. I haven't realized until l wrote that brief summary of political parties above what u were saying about this 4T resembling the Civil War 4T. The Know Nothings infiltrated the Whigs, sending them off the rails. The Tea Partiers & other wingnutz r doing the same thing 2 the repugs, causing the moderates 2 invade the Democratic party , shifting it 2 the right, alienating long time old school Dems & younger ppl in general. These ppl will come 2gether & form a progressive party.2 counter the Blue Dog Dem party.
 Either way the country will survive the Donald, it will just come out worse 4 wear if he gets another 4 years. By 2024 the country should be ripe 4 a progressive (I think we already r, but anyhow) & while Bernie would probably be 2 old 2 run again, he has surrogates. Jeff Merkeley from OR comes 2 mind. The Jacobin Mag did a write up on Tammy Baldwin from WI recently. She sounds like a good successor 2 Bernie. Then there's always my homeboy Sherrod if we can get that clown out of the Governor's Mansion in 2022. Nina Turner is also a possiblity if she can remain relevant 4 the next few years. She has been making political waves this year & would would make a gr8 successor 2 Bernie since she is a dyed in the wool Berniecrat.
So we'll just have 2 see how this all rolls

I don't think the nation will survive 4 years of The Donald. At least, not in its current form. The reactionary Republicans would have too much resistance power, in their reactionary Courts, in the vote suppression and gerrymandering, in their Senate, and we can expect The Donald will amass even more dictatorial power. I'm not saying it won't happen though. The Democrats have a weak field, with the strongest candidate (Sanders) being the underdog as a "socialist" and Biden the other strong favorite fading, and none of the others can beat the Drumpf. And 2024 does look like the challenger wins the popular vote. But on the other hand, by then the Republicans might well have ended democracy (or the nation) as we know it, and my indicators won't matter.

I think the repugs will only fold if they are defeated in general elections. Berniebros and Berniecrats need to listen to Bernie. They need to know who the enemy is. The DNC, Biden, Buttigieg (who hasn't really cheated; there's only suspicions because he contributed funds to the Iowa caucus process), Bloomberg, Klobuchar et al may be inadequate, but they are NOT the enemy. Trump IS our enemy, and should only be looked upon as a criminal, an enemy, a dirty dog; not worthy of any respect. The only things to do with him is get him out of office and into jail. Until then, I don't think the Greens (a party I belonged to for almost 30 years, and might again) are a viable option now with such evil to confront. Mussolini can't be allowed to take over. The Greens may be a viable option at some point though.

Merkeley hasn't got the chops according to my scores (3-9), but Sherrod Brown (19-8) probably does, and possibly Tammy Baldwin (13-6) too. Mitch Landrieu (16-2) is the best option. Terry McAuliffe is from the moderate wing, but he is a winner, score 11-2 at least. He is an effective campaigner and fundraiser and supports whoever the Democrats nominate, including Bernie. I haven't heard that he is in the stop Bernie crowd.