03-21-2020, 01:40 PM
(03-21-2020, 07:06 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: What Nomad is calling Groupthink corresponds to the unity of the Profit, Nomad & Hero after the Trigger, Regeneracy and into the heart of the crisis. This is a major feature of S&H. It occurs every Crisis. It refines the new values which are enforced in the coming high. Basically, the ideals at the heart of the crisis are accepted by most and made part of the culture.
The virus is more and more looking like the Trigger for this time around. A little late - the Prophets are getting too old to run for president, and about to cede control - but not never. The primary trial and error will be performed by the medical community, but it looks like we will all play parts, and the urgency is apt to spread to other issues.
If so, the virus is illustrating the idea that politics must acknowledge science, that one cannot create lies and fantasy perspectives that have nothing to do with reality. It is unexpected, but is shaped to illustrate and force acceptance of a key part of the progressive worldview.
Nomad is abandoning S&H language, making up his own, to try to create his own lies and fantasy, to attempt to deny the cycles.
I am personally hoping the quarantine will last less long than the four years it traditionally takes to fight a Crisis war. The military usually has to spend time mobilizing, learning how to most effectively use the weapons of the time, and eventually push the fronts. It will probably take the medical community less time, but the new unity will likely spread to global warming and other issues stalled by conservative ideology (or Groupthink) to ignore problems and not take action.
I personally think we ought to stick with S&H language and theory and not go with Nomad’s alternate.
The "unity" seen for the first time right now IS the beginning of Regeneracy - to which I am of course not opposed.
This "unity" must overcome the paradigm of the Prophet. He is not involved because he wants to be, it is of necessity only. And in youth, the Prophet does not conform, generally, to such a paradigm shift except on his own terms. It is never about unification.
What we are seeing now is the beginning (NOT THE FULFILLMENT) of the Groupthink that will bring stale culture. To which the next Prophet will rebel against in the next Awakening.
Please agree:
when Individualism is strong, OUTWARD regeneracy is weak.
When Collectivism is strong, INNER regeneracy is weak.
When you understand the above concept, we can begin to understand each other. We are not here talking in our own terms and phrases since we are in the Generational Cycles forum concerning the ideology (NOT VALUES) of Strauss and Howe.
Values =/= Ideology
Ideology = / = Values
There's an incredibly stark difference.
Anyone who leads first with Values in the coming Regeneracy will be utterly shunned and left out. You will be seen as part of the problem, not as part of the solution.
Not every human being has values. Every human has ideology even if they know it or do not know it. Not every human without values is IMMORAL either. What the Regeneracy generation will come to be defined as (as has been previously) is a generation that sets aside all values in order to accomplish great things OUTWARDLY. That is why they feel inwardly dead once all the accomplishment has been done.
Thus, usher in the next Prophet to revive in the opposite direction.
Yin and Ying are not values-driven. They just are. The ebb and flow of the wave accuses no one and has no righteous indignation. It is a force of nature. Prophet is not Yin/Yang oriented. Prophet is an archetype of very inwardly-driven CAUSE.
That CAUSE-mentality has almost destroyed America. Thank the gods I now know it won't destroy us, but only turn another corner in our history.